03-28-2006, 07:49 PM | #781 |
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IMO, Napier dealt with that very well. Great story!
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03-28-2006, 09:28 PM | #782 |
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The news tonight reported that the clerics in Afgan. are screaming that he should be killed; meanwhile he's vanished from view.
Also on the news tonight was the following: Jordan (our ally ?) had tried a man for converting to Christianity. He was found guilty and his marriage nullified, his job forfeited, and he is not permitted to work in Jordan ever again. And then this "enlightened" verdict: Man Accidentally Divorces Wife in Sleep From Associated Press March 28, 2006 9:40 AM EST NEW DELHI - Village elders ordered a Muslim man in eastern India to leave his wife after he accidentally divorced her in his sleep, a news report said Tuesday. Aftab Ansari uttered the Urdu word for divorce, "talaq," three times in his sleep, prompting his worried wife to discuss the matter with her friends, according to the Press Trust of India news agency. Under Islamic law, a husband need only say "I divorce you" three times to secure a permanent end to his marriage. Muslim leaders in the couple's village in West Bengal state found out and decreed that Ansari's unconscious utterances constituted a divorce, PTI reported. But 30-year-old Ansari said he had no intention of leaving his wife of 11 years. "I have not given talaq. When I uttered talaq three times I had taken medicines to help me sleep," he was quoted as saying in the report. The religious leaders said that before remarrying, the couple would have to be apart for at least 100 days and that the wife, Sohela, would also have to spend a night with another man and then be divorced by him. PTI reported that the couple has been ostracized because of their refusal to abide by the decision of the village leaders.
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03-28-2006, 09:37 PM | #783 |
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Persecution of Christians and other religious minorities has been occurring in many of these Middle Eastern countries for years. I'm frankly surprised the news services bothered to comment on this.
Perhaps they decided to mention these events because all the recent increases in tension between the East and the West make it a more "interesting" topic to more people?
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03-28-2006, 09:41 PM | #784 |
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Yep, me too. But then they aren't reporting all the stuff happening in our WTO partner/Olympic Country either. (China).
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But whatever, at least he's free. Good for Hamid Karzai for supporting this. He is going to take flak for the decision, but I think this is a positive step for religion. I don't pretend for a second to understand Sharia law, but I definitely don't understand the death penalty for someone leaving Islam. Is this because then Sharia law would no longer apply to them? If I was Islam I wouldn't want people to feel obliged to be Muslim. Then the only Muslims in the world would be people who really love Allah and want to be Muslim. Sounds like a win-win to me! Obviously it's not that simple, otherwise it would already be so. One can dream.
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I took notes a long while ago about a Shia messiah figure who is supposed to appear on the world, a "Hidden Imam". I found several sites about him, and he was supposed to conquer the world for the glory of Allah. Quote:
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There is a lot of good in Islam. Some of the Muslim teachings are very profound, very, very worth following. There are some great teachings of peace and ethics there. However, there also are calls for violent warfare against nonbelievers, and that is where we are today.
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On a much brighter note , Rahman has been flown to Italy and granted asylum there. A number of Afghanistan politicians are angery about this, but I'm very relieved they were able to move him out so rapidly to a place where he'll be in much less danger.
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03-29-2006, 03:33 PM | #788 |
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Qur'an Quote On This Topic
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then Kill Him" ** It's also based upon a statement: "but whoever of you recants and dies an unbeliever, his works shall come to nothing in this world and the next, and they are the companions of the fire for ever" Qur'an 2:2.17
**Bukhari, vol. 9 book 88, no 6922
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03-29-2006, 03:37 PM | #789 |
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Thanks for finding the reference, Spock. I was very curious where that was from.
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Of course, Muslims surely wanted to spread their religion and likely hoped that one day, the whole world would submit to Islam. May I remind you that Christians shared a similar dream – they tried to enlighten mankind about Christianity by sending missionaries to every corner of the world (to "conquer" it in a peaceful way, if you like). When it comes to Islam, it seems that after a land had been turned into a caliphate, the religion was spread peacefully among the populace and not through force. People chose to become muslims. Quote:
Funny how you say Islam is not a religion of peace. The very word “Islam” means peace If we decide to label Islam as a non-peaceful religion, the same label must be applied to Christianity.
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NO. Christianity has not waged war in quite a number of years. Islam still does.
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Muhammad was persecuted also, and in response he led a savage campaign that conquered not only his persecutors but all the tribes in Saudi Arabia. When Peter tried to defend Jesus from attack, Jesus said, "put your sword away, for he who lives by the sword dies by the sword!" Contrast that with Islam: "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush." (Surah 9:5) It is apparent that when Christians act in violence, often they are not following the tenents of their religion. When Muslims do though, many times they are adhering accurately to their religion. Once again, like I said in the last paragraph of my previous post, I'd like to point out that I'm not trying to argue that Islam is all bad. Muhammad's teachings included some very good messages and there are beautiful verses in the Qur'an. However, it still is obvious from history and from the texts that Muhammad and those who followed him as he wanted them to both then and now were set on violently conquering the world. If you look at the early invasions outside of Saudi Arabia, and at Muhammad's actions in Saudi Arabia, I think you'll find that claim hard to refute. Especially when one also takes into account the jihad verses of the Qur'an and the consequential military behavior of Islamic powers throughout history.
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including good christians?
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Stand before the Lord Lief- do not follow the propaganda of hate pedalled on this earth - do not be fooled by the dogma of man, politics, hatred, intolerance or greed ...
the Lord tells you to be true to him and to him alone - not man - look at what the Lord says- not man. maybe it'll be hard in this life to do so - but isn't that not the word of christ? seriously- very best, BB reason for edit- punctuation Last edited by Butterbeer : 03-29-2006 at 07:27 PM. |
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///oh goodie, over 45 minutes without launching a new Crusade. ////breathe!
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