03-10-2004, 10:37 PM | #781 |
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One dark period in the christian history is the addition of the word heretic into the bible which spurned the great witch hunts. The pagan religions were still fairly prominent at the time and the church felt they needed to lessen the pagan impact on the populus....they took the witch's physical form of their god, changed it a little, and used that as the image of satan...before this period there was no description of a cloven hooved satan.
*the witch god of the sun/day has hte legs of a goat, body of a man, and antlers of a stag, the animal imagery to symbolize the god's attunement to nature* The christian devil or satan was forever known as part goat part man, with horns. As well, candlemas and Yule, periods of celebration for witches was overrun when the christians placed christmas in late december...jesus christ was born in the summer, not in winter. The witch hunts were also very one-sided...*we'll toss you into the lake, if you float, you're a witch and will be burned, if you drown...well we're sorry, but you'll be honored to have a good, christian death.* That's just one example of the rediculousness of the trials of that period.... This isn't so much an example of hypcricy, however it is one of the reasons why I've shyed away from christianity as a faith of choice.
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03-10-2004, 11:02 PM | #782 |
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The witch trial in Monty Python -- Quite hilarious (as is that entire movie).
Anyway...The real date of Jesus' birth is still debated by scholars, but the best guess is that he was born in the springtime. The observance of Christmas is not just an observance of a date, but a commemoration of an event. It should not matter whether he was actually born on December 25. This date was chosen during the fourth century to celebrate Jesus' birth because this Christian celebration would be an alternative the the pagan winter solstice. There are radical factions in every political/social/religious group. AND people make mistakes--Is every Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu perfect? The important thing is that they changed these ideas/practices. Just because someone in the religion was wrong doesn't make that entire religion wrong. People can say they are a Christian, or Muslim, or whatever, but not actually be one. Just a few thoughts, Mercutio
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03-11-2004, 01:44 AM | #783 |
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*We are no longer the knights who say "NI!"....we are now the knights who sayyyyyyyyy....."Icky Icky Icky Icky K-Pang RU poing...*mumble mumble*...*
:P That movie is amazing :P Very good point in that events like that do not make every person of htat faith like their predecessors.......no one faith in the world is perfect, and to ignorantly claim that your faith is flawless will only serve to harm you and the reputation of your faith in the long term.
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03-11-2004, 09:50 AM | #784 | |
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of course i may be wrong, it's just i've seen the films about 200 times each, my favourite character is mr creosote from meaning of life french waiter: good day sir, and 'ow are we feeling? mr creosote: better french waiter: better .... sir? mr creosote: better get a bucket, i'm gonna throw up .. <blugh> |
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03-11-2004, 12:01 PM | #785 |
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haha...could be that too...
"what are you going to do...bleed on me?" "I'M INVINCIBLE! The Black Knight ALWAYS triumphs!" "You're a loonie...." ....or how every sperm is sacred....:P ...."We are the judean people's front crack suicide squad!" *My apologies to non Monty Python fans/cracks*
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03-11-2004, 12:08 PM | #786 |
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'I'm Brian'
'No ... I'm Brian' 'I'm Brian .. and so's my wife' |
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I think we're a little OT guys... though, Monty Python could possibly be considered a religion.
"Worship the Python, it is very Monty." --Miss Cam What does make something a religion? Cults are religions, albeit small and margianalized (some for good reason).
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We could form our own brother-and sisterhood, worshipping Bryan!
I just started the NT, by the way. Just to please you, R*an.
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. |
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03-11-2004, 05:02 PM | #791 |
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aaaawwwww that's a shame
would have been good for monty python to become uk's official religion |
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one of my favorite python quotes from life of brian:
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He loves the humanity of Jesus Christ. Compared to the power and might of Hindu gods he is at first unable to understand Jesus' human weakness, such as the story of the fig tree. He is angry that a "petulant God" would be compared to Krishna. But, as Pi says, "I couldn't get Him out of my head. Still can't. I spent three solid days thinking about Him. The more He bothered me, the less I could forget Him. And the more I learned I learned about Him, the less I wanted to leave Him." As for Islam, Pi says: "I challenge anyone to understand Islam, its spirit, and not to love it. It is a beatuiful religion full of brotherhood and devotion." Hope that helps Mercutio! |
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Thanks for the explanation. It sounds interesting.
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To keep the discussion moving,
What do non-Christian religions say about the Christian Bible? Do they deny its truth, or believe some parts but not all? hmm...
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03-12-2004, 01:48 AM | #796 |
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I recognize the bible as an incredible story combining religion and history...although I also recognize that it has been re-written numerous times, and has lost some of it's origional accuracy.
The beliefs of christians, god, heaven, and hell all exist in my eyes simply because so many people believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that they exist...the human mind is incredibly powerful...if you simply know something to exist, it will on some level. It's been such a big part of the world for so long that it simply cannot not exist...tho I don't believe that anything beyond our own comprehension is limited to that only.
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I'd think in heaven we'd be on a higher intellecutal/spirtual level (i guess) where we wouldn't be thinking-- "Oh. I don't like that" or "This way is better than (whatever)". there is probably some level of perfection that we can't even comprehend right now.
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