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I've never seen a serious debate about legalizing pedophelia, so obviously there is no real issue. And it also has no place in this discussion. The tough issues in a democractic society are the things that a majority (say 60-70%) may oppose, but a very large minority do not (say 30-40%). Add to that the fact that I am sure many who opposed "gay marriage" don't quite go so far as to think that it is really all that dangerous to society. After all, if "gayness" is so dangerous, why not make the act itself illegal? Why even entertain the idea of civil unions? And let me add, I'm not gay and I don't particularly find the idea very palitable. But the difference between my reasoning and yours is that I am willing to say "if 30-40% of the country think it's okay, let's give it a chance." Remember, being a democracy, we can change back if it doesn't work out.
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We should be able to discuss the pros and cons of a debatable practice without having to bring in examples that no one in their right mind would debate. I also don't think hate motivates many people. I think it is usually a lack of experience and understanding. A lot of people were against interracial marriage and it took a supreme court ruling against a majority who opposed it to change the laws. But I don't think that everyone who opposed it hated blacks. They simply weren't familiar with them in that kind of situation. It made them uncomfortable. Some even preached that it was against biblical tradition, but in time they learned to accept it. Actions taken out of love can hurt just as bad as actions taken out of hate. The key is to try your hardest to understand the other person's point of view.
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If the majority of America in the future wants to legalize gay marriage, I will still not think it is right, but I won't be around then...
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Well alright. The issue of condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible, I think is pretty straightforward. But when you say it can't be used in the system of Gov't etc...well, it doesn't already. We don't treat gays as second citezens at all. There are controversies like the Gay Boy Scout Leader thing, where the parents are concerned about who is...leading their kids. I think that you can't go so far with Gov't that the Gov can tell the parents who can and cannot be scout leaders. It may be that the parents have a prejudice against gays, but thats just the part nobody is allowed to erase...though Elton John seems to think otherwise. Quote:
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There can't be THAT MANY things that put them back economically that they must have marriage. I just don't believe that side of it at all. Quote:
Men don't lead the girl scouts, so why should a gay man lead the boy scouts? It's pretty taboo to make a straight man the leader of the girl scouts, even if we are 100% sure he "wouldn't do that"...and I fail to see why gays are a special case when it comes to them being the leaders of boy scouts. Quote:
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Hmmm...never heard of it before, I was never a boy scout type guy. The self-righteous little know-it-alls...
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One thing I wonder is whether or not he's considered that a significant number of the homosexuals he's hoping to protect by getting religious freedom banned are religious themselves, and will be most grumpy if he deprives them of the right to their beliefs.
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