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Even if the majority of the people support their government it does not mean that they are the same thing. Of course their are connections between a government and its people (it would be a shame if there weren't) but that still doesn't mean they are inseparable. Outsiders can disagree with the government of another country - even hate it if you prefer such radical terms- they can also disagree with the deciscions of the people to choose and support this particular government. But that doesn't mean they hate those people.
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04-10-2003, 01:09 PM | #782 |
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The majority is not the entirety. The most recent census figure I could find (www.census.gov) shows the current population of the United States at 290,694,086. If 70% were in favor, then 30% were not. And 30% of over 290 million people is a large number of Americans, in my book.
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I see people as being much more than just their political beliefs.....but if you are going to tar people then I suppose a political brush will do just as well as any other Quote:
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04-10-2003, 01:14 PM | #784 |
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GrayMouser: We also chose the people who wrote the constitution and set up the system. So indirectly, we as a people chose Bush.
Yes, Hasty Ent, I was just thinking the same thing, that entirety isn't majority. Earniel, I do not say that they are the same. But I am saying if one hates the government for the actions one takes, then it would only be logical that one would feel (at least nearly) the same about the people for supporting the government in these actions.
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Two years after the conquest of Poland, after the other democracies had been begging you to get involved, you entered the war because Japan had attacked you- no other reason. You went to war against Germany because Hitler declared war on you first- luckily, because it's not likely that Roosevelt could have got Congress to declare war on Germany. For the war itself, 75% of the Germany Army was destroyed by the Russians; American supplies (especially trucks) played a vital role in enabling the Soviets to take the offensive, otherwise the war might have ended in a stalemate. Direct American involvement (Band of Brothers and all that) probably shortened the war by a year or so, and stopped the Soviet Union from taking all of Germany and installing Communist governments in France and Italy. But if anybody defeated Hitler, it was the Red Army. BTW, John Pilger is a loony; has been for years.
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I did not say that. But France benefits from these smugglings. Only because you hold that every racist remark about Americans is true. I've seen you yourself propagate such remarks, about loud-mouthed, greedy Americans. I've seen far more remarks about Americans than I have about non-Americans. No doubt the fact that we are vastly out-numbered is a factor in it. Course not, then you'd have to mingle with power-hungry monsters. After all, it is their homeland. Well, since everyone is so convinced that we're a bunch of imperialist conquerors, I don't know why the [EDITED] we don't just bloody well decide to let them be right. People will never think America is less than the only begotten son of Evil and monstrosity, so why in the name of all this holy and all that is damned why do we just bloody well prove them right??? We wouldn't win anyone's fricken support if we gave every American penny to the poor of the world. Then they'd scream at us and condemn us for being reduced to killing animals for a living. Name of Heaven, why doesn't the world just pay the next tyrant to bomb us into a crater??? Last edited by Sister Golden Hair Then edited by Gwaimir Windgem
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GW, although I understand your point, I must agree with Earniel on this one. There are many times that I have voted in a presidential candidate because I agreed with his views and supported his stand on many different things. That's not to say that throughout his four year term in office that I will agree with everything he will do. I support President Bush in the war on Iraq. That doesn't mean I will agree with all that he decides to do until he leaves office. I doubt that there is any Americans that stay completely in agreement with the commander and chief throughout his entire term in office.
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Yes, SGH, but what I am saying is that the majority of Americans are in support of the actions taken by our government. Not that they voted for him, but that they are in support of what he is doing.
Naw, I never blame folk for that. Earniel, it doesn't have to do with the people who voted for the government, but with the people who are in support of his actions. I am not talking about the ones who voted for him, but those who support him.
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But seriously though thats true if you agreed with everything your country does or has done there is something seriously wrong! As for whos next on the news it quoted an american soilder saying 'north korea is next on the list'. Now that would be a mistake
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I agree with that.
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To be honest I can understand a lot of the bad feeling from Americans. America has done a lot to help many countries around the world and maybe it doesn't gain much respect for it but I guess the trouble is that as the super-power the international community has maybe come to expect it of you........everyone wants a slice of the American pie, without throwing in a few apples Quote:
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