SPOTTED MISTAKES!! *spoilers warning* - Page 4

***Khamûl*** · 12-30-2002, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by Elfhelm
I don't know why Haldir brought a message from Elrond. Shouldn't the message be from Galadriel?

Just a shot at this one, but maybe Elrond sent messengers to Galadriel in Lothlorien and she sent troops to Helm's Deep. Yeah... I'm reaching.

BeardofPants · 12-30-2002, 01:07 AM

Well, there *was* that whole telepathic sequence between Elrond and Galadriel.

Arathorn · 12-30-2002, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
Well, there *was* that whole telepathic sequence between Elrond and Galadriel.

I thought they were side by side! *ducks from the bearded trousers*

Elvedans · 12-31-2002, 08:02 AM

Okay I've seen the movie twice now, and on my second viewing i made sure i watched Gandalf's feet. I might not be the best judge, but while looking through my tear-blurred eyes i was sure those things on his feet were NOT trainers. They were probably some strange sort of wizard shoes!

middleEarthStar · 12-31-2002, 02:42 PM

YES!!!

I also saw Gandalf with trainers!!! When he moved Saroman out of King Theoden!!!!!

that was funny!!

eowyngirl14 · 12-31-2002, 03:07 PM

okay, I will quote myself here...

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The one about Gandalf wearing 'trainers' (I hope that means sneakers?!' is not right I think. I know that during the scene when you first see shadowfax running up the hill, his shoes look a lot like sneakers. But then during the scene at Edoras, when Gandalf hooked arms with Legolas, he is wearing white leather mocasin (sp?) slipper things. I think that these might just have looked like sneakers because of the angle we see him during the shadowfax scene. (The slippers do lace up with leather string stuff, wich might have looked ike shoelaces)

Sorry folks, Gandalf is not wearing trainers/sneakers. As squinteyedsouthener said, Saruman is also wearing them, and what are the chanced of Ian and Christopher buying the same pair of shoes. Also, after all PJ said about attention to detail, it is unlikely that they would let the wizzards wear sneakers.

Melkor Morgoth · 12-31-2002, 04:00 PM

I saw the movie the day it came out but I thougt wizards wore boots not trainers/sneakers,anyway Pj would not allow it.

LuthienTinuviel · 01-02-2003, 10:05 PM

if peter jackson is as good as retaining information as he is water, this thread would be non-exsistant. god i love that man.

Aragorns Dimple · 01-03-2003, 07:26 AM

I also wondered about the colour of Legolas' eyes thing. I figured they were brown when he was in "Normal" Mode, and they switched to contact Electric Blue when in "Super Elvish Far-off Vision" Mode. Who knows, perhaps he just got lazy about it on set. ^_^

On the mistakes theme, I came home from seeing TTT still thinking about what wonderful treatment each character received, even the minor ones, and then wondered what happened to old Bilbo Baggins! He was in Rivendell with the Elves, and they did not show him leaving with them for the Grey Havens when they all trotted out in the night swinging their lanterns and looking like some occult sect. So....where is Bilbo??!?!?!?

AngieBaggins · 01-03-2003, 05:02 PM

I thought Bilbo left with Galadriel and Elrond at the end of ROTK?? I'm pretty sure that's it.

Elvedans · 01-03-2003, 05:29 PM

Hey you know when Elrond tells Arwen about what will happen if she stays in middle earth, and it shows Aragorn being dead and Arwen living on for ever young, walking through forests and crying by his tomb etc? I thought if she stayed and married Aragorn she would lose her immortality and die like him?

eowyngirl14 · 01-03-2003, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Elvedans
Hey you know when Elrond tells Arwen about what will happen if she stays in middle earth, and it shows Aragorn being dead and Arwen living on for ever young, walking through forests and crying by his tomb etc? I thought if she stayed and married Aragorn she would lose her immortality and die like him?

That is what I thought too! Iin Fotr when she hands Aragorn her little necklace thingy, they make it sound like she is giving up her immortality for him! I do like that scene, even if I don't like Arwen!

***azalea*** · 01-03-2003, 09:17 PM

That's right, she does die, but only after Aragorn has died first. I guess they changed it in the movie to illustrate Elrond counciling his daughter on how grievous her life will be if she makes that choice, but no, it doesn't make sense to me when he says she'll live on, blah blah. I think he's just talking about after Aragorn dies, but it isn't made clear that she too will die, although they made a point to make that clear in FotR.

LuthienTinuviel · 01-03-2003, 10:33 PM

ok, i got paid today, so went and saw TTT twice in a row.

Legolas' eyes do not change colour. He has dark blue eyes, they made it an unealrty blue, seeing as he's an elf. when is eyes are not in the light, they look just as black as his pupils, esp. in the scene where the peasents of Rohan are getting ready to fight. In the sunlight, or lightning flash, or bright light, they regain thier blue colour.

Gimli does drop SOMETHING. And it's bugging me to find out what.

Not only do some elves dry-shoot thier bows, but when Aragorn and Theoden ride out of the tower, the last two guys to follow them down the ramp are just swinging thier swords at invisible Orcs.

Gandalf is not wearing Trainers.

eowyngirl14 · 01-03-2003, 10:35 PM

So, will Arwen age? Or will she stay looking like she does in the at the point at which the books take place in years to come? These elves, always so confusing... can't get anything straigth...

LuthienTinuviel · 01-03-2003, 10:46 PM

legolas' quiver keeps switching sides too, but you never know he may take it off at night and put it on differently in the morning...
but it bugses us anywaysss

eowyngirl14 · 01-03-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
ok, i got paid today, so went and saw TTT twice in a row.

Legolas' eyes do not change colour. He has dark blue eyes, they made it an unealrty blue, seeing as he's an elf. when is eyes are not in the light, they look just as black as his pupils, esp. in the scene where the peasents of Rohan are getting ready to fight. In the sunlight, or lightning flash, or bright light, they regain thier blue colour.

Gimli does drop SOMETHING. And it's bugging me to find out what.

Not only do some elves dry-shoot thier bows, but when Aragorn and Theoden ride out of the tower, the last two guys to follow them down the ramp are just swinging thier swords at invisible Orcs.

Gandalf is not wearing Trainers.

What Gimili drops looks a lot like a black or dark blue or green hat to me... but there is no logical reason as to why he was carrying it in the first place! No Gandalf is not wearing sneakers/trainers for the thousanth time! Invisible orcs, interesting concept, I didn't notice that mistake!

cassiopeia · 01-04-2003, 12:39 AM

I've seen the movie twice now and I hadn't noticed any mistakes. I notice things like the horses running down that hill which is too steep and the horses which should be impaled by spears when the riders are charging the Urak-hai. One thing that does make me laugh, at the beginning when Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn are running, Legolas nearly falls over.

Andartholin · 01-04-2003, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
They were stone-trolls; I think that all trolls but Olog-hai turn into stone from sunlight.

That's right Olog-hai were bound under Saurons will under sunlight and could endure it

Gerbil · 01-04-2003, 08:06 AM

Actually I was wondering about Arwen.

My memory on all this is hazy, so a re-read may be the order of the day.

But, it's occurred to me that she didn't possibly become mortal.
Her death could have been simply through grief.

As for Arwen giving up her immortality, well, in the film this could be the scene where Frodo is dying by the river bank. That 'my grace pass to him' scene, which apart from it's cringing awfulness, is never properly explained. Then as pointed out, in theory she gives up her immortality when she gives the jewel to ARagorn. So she gives it up twice. Or not at all, since in TTT she appears to outlive Aragorn who dies at about 200 years old.

Weird eh?

Also, from what I recall, doesn't Arwen technically give up her place in Valinor for Frodo? I'm sure I recall somewhere Tolkien making a comment on this.

So, until I re-read, I've got the sneaking suspicion that Arwen never became mortal, and merely died from grief over Aragorn.

Feel free to prove me wrong, cos this is really bugging me now the more I think about it!

12-30-2002, 01:07 AM	#62
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Well, there was that whole telepathic sequence between Elrond and Galadriel. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

12-31-2002, 08:02 AM	#64
Elvedans Diamond Of The Night Sky Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Old London Town (Well somewhere near there) Posts: 366	Okay I've seen the movie twice now, and on my second viewing i made sure i watched Gandalf's feet. I might not be the best judge, but while looking through my tear-blurred eyes i was sure those things on his feet were NOT trainers. They were probably some strange sort of wizard shoes! __________________ I see a little silhouetto of a man. Scaramouche scaramouche will you do the fandango? Thunderbolts and Lightning, very very frightening me!

12-31-2002, 02:42 PM	#65
middleEarthStar Sapling Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: sweden Posts: 13	HAHHA YES!!! I also saw Gandalf with trainers!!! When he moved Saroman out of King Theoden!!!!! that was funny!! __________________ Let it be yore light at dark places when all other light goes out

12-31-2002, 04:00 PM	#67
Melkor Morgoth Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Montana Posts: 1	I saw the movie the day it came out but I thougt wizards wore boots not trainers/sneakers,anyway Pj would not allow it. Last edited by Melkor Morgoth : 12-31-2002 at 04:04 PM.

01-02-2003, 10:05 PM	#68
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	if peter jackson is as good as retaining information as he is water, this thread would be non-exsistant. god i love that man. __________________

01-03-2003, 07:26 AM	#69
Aragorns Dimple Enting Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: On Viggo's Chin Posts: 77	I also wondered about the colour of Legolas' eyes thing. I figured they were brown when he was in "Normal" Mode, and they switched to contact Electric Blue when in "Super Elvish Far-off Vision" Mode. Who knows, perhaps he just got lazy about it on set. ^_^ On the mistakes theme, I came home from seeing TTT still thinking about what wonderful treatment each character received, even the minor ones, and then wondered what happened to old Bilbo Baggins! He was in Rivendell with the Elves, and they did not show him leaving with them for the Grey Havens when they all trotted out in the night swinging their lanterns and looking like some occult sect. So....where is Bilbo??!?!?!? __________________ "Is it nice, my preciousss? Is it juicy? Is it scrumptiously crunchable?" - Gollum

01-03-2003, 05:02 PM	#70
AngieBaggins Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cali Posts: 36	I thought Bilbo left with Galadriel and Elrond at the end of ROTK?? I'm pretty sure that's it. __________________ Loverly, just loverly. She looked over the hall way doors, and noticed him there. It was odd, for she had never met anyone like him. And she never expected she would again.

01-03-2003, 05:29 PM	#71
Elvedans Diamond Of The Night Sky Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Old London Town (Well somewhere near there) Posts: 366	Hey you know when Elrond tells Arwen about what will happen if she stays in middle earth, and it shows Aragorn being dead and Arwen living on for ever young, walking through forests and crying by his tomb etc? I thought if she stayed and married Aragorn she would lose her immortality and die like him? __________________ I see a little silhouetto of a man. Scaramouche scaramouche will you do the fandango? Thunderbolts and Lightning, very very frightening me!

01-03-2003, 09:17 PM	#73
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	That's right, she does die, but only after Aragorn has died first. I guess they changed it in the movie to illustrate Elrond counciling his daughter on how grievous her life will be if she makes that choice, but no, it doesn't make sense to me when he says she'll live on, blah blah. I think he's just talking about after Aragorn dies, but it isn't made clear that she too will die, although they made a point to make that clear in FotR.

01-03-2003, 10:33 PM	#74
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	ok, i got paid today, so went and saw TTT twice in a row. Legolas' eyes do not change colour. He has dark blue eyes, they made it an unealrty blue, seeing as he's an elf. when is eyes are not in the light, they look just as black as his pupils, esp. in the scene where the peasents of Rohan are getting ready to fight. In the sunlight, or lightning flash, or bright light, they regain thier blue colour. Gimli does drop SOMETHING. And it's bugging me to find out what. Not only do some elves dry-shoot thier bows, but when Aragorn and Theoden ride out of the tower, the last two guys to follow them down the ramp are just swinging thier swords at invisible Orcs. Gandalf is not wearing Trainers. __________________

01-03-2003, 10:35 PM	#75
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	So, will Arwen age? Or will she stay looking like she does in the at the point at which the books take place in years to come? These elves, always so confusing... can't get anything straigth... __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-03-2003, 10:46 PM	#76
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	legolas' quiver keeps switching sides too, but you never know he may take it off at night and put it on differently in the morning... but it bugses us anywaysss __________________

01-04-2003, 12:39 AM	#78
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I've seen the movie twice now and I hadn't noticed any mistakes. I notice things like the horses running down that hill which is too steep and the horses which should be impaled by spears when the riders are charging the Urak-hai. One thing that does make me laugh, at the beginning when Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn are running, Legolas nearly falls over. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

01-04-2003, 08:06 AM	#80
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	Actually I was wondering about Arwen. My memory on all this is hazy, so a re-read may be the order of the day. But, it's occurred to me that she didn't possibly become mortal. Her death could have been simply through grief. As for Arwen giving up her immortality, well, in the film this could be the scene where Frodo is dying by the river bank. That 'my grace pass to him' scene, which apart from it's cringing awfulness, is never properly explained. Then as pointed out, in theory she gives up her immortality when she gives the jewel to ARagorn. So she gives it up twice. Or not at all, since in TTT she appears to outlive Aragorn who dies at about 200 years old. Weird eh? Also, from what I recall, doesn't Arwen technically give up her place in Valinor for Frodo? I'm sure I recall somewhere Tolkien making a comment on this. So, until I re-read, I've got the sneaking suspicion that Arwen never became mortal, and merely died from grief over Aragorn. Feel free to prove me wrong, cos this is really bugging me now the more I think about it! __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

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