Does Silmarillion get more entertaining as it progresses? - Page 4

Lefty Scaevola · 12-15-2002, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by GRONK!!!
GRONK hopes your kidding about the encyclopedia.

Your hope is ill founded and false.

Blackboar · 01-05-2003, 05:01 AM

Ok, I've just read the Valaquenta. I'm nearly there!!

Wow, I need some suport but I'm going to finish it, and understand it if I have to read it 999.999.999.999 times!!

Elf.Freak · 01-05-2003, 05:26 AM

I found the Silmarrillion quite boring, but i liked the Third Age bit at the end (i read it ages ago, so excuse me if i get it wrong!)

Arcala · 01-07-2003, 06:22 PM

Actually I think the Sil was a good book, if a bit boring in the beginning. Maybe you should try reading it some more!!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-07-2003, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by Arcala
Actually I think the Sil was a good book, if a bit boring in the beginning. Maybe you should try reading it some more!!

Yep, the first time is a toughy. Second time is good, and third time is a charm.

gandalffan2525 · 01-08-2003, 05:23 PM

all the names are so alike that i keep getting them confused (ie:fingolfin, finarfin, finrod felagund) but i'm (or should i say gandalfan2525 is?) starting to get it that almost same name=family, oh well, back to the book *frowns in consentration*

Elfhelm · 01-08-2003, 07:51 PM

My trick the first time was to skip the background stuff and jump right to the coming of the Elves. Later I went back and read the parts about the Maiar and Valar.

I wish he had done a new twist on the Eriol/Aelfwine character and given us the Silmarillion in the manner of Lost Tales. My past altering wish is this:

that Bilbo travels to Rivendell after leaving the Ring with Frodo. He is working on his book, but much of the time is spent listening to various elves (who we now know by name) tell the tales out of The Silmarillion. In the middle Frodo comes and goes off on his adventure, then we hear about the world of Men and the Fall of Beleriand. By the time Frodo returns all the stories in The Silm are told and Bilbo naps in the place where stories are told, occasionally telling stories. Then the Bard of Gondor... Oh me and my fantasies. It would have been an easier read, I tell ya.

Maedhros · 01-08-2003, 07:59 PM

You mean the famous Translations from the Elvish?

***RÃan*** · 01-08-2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Blackboar
Ok, I've just read the Valaquenta. I'm nearly there!!

Wow, I need some suport but I'm going to finish it, and understand it if I have to read it 999.999.999.999 times!!

GO BLACKBOAR GO! RAH RAH RAH!! *throws boar-shaped confetti*

cassiopeia · 01-09-2003, 12:42 AM

The embarassing thing for me is, even though I am reading the Sil for a second time, I still have trouble remembering who is related to who. Ok, I'm going to try now to name all the F names (no cheating): Finwe had Feanor, Fingolfin and Finafarin. Fingolfin had Finrod. Finafarin had Fingon. I'll have to see if I am right.

Edit: Close, but Figolfin had Fingon and Finafarin had Finrod. More studying to do.

***RÃan*** · 01-09-2003, 01:26 AM

Oh, I've read the Sil many times, and I still have problems keeping those F's straight

The only memory trick that has helped me is Fingolfin (the only one of Finwe's sons that has a 'g' in his name) had sons with g's in their names - Fingon and Turgon.

Now be sure to edit the first geneology table in the Sil to fix Gil-Galad's parentage

BeardofPants · 01-09-2003, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by cassiopeia
The embarassing thing for me is, even though I am reading the Sil for a second time, I still have trouble remembering who is related to who.

Oh man, I'm DOOMED. I had trouble with the "F" names when reading the Sil, so I've been making a concerted effort to try and them straight while reading the Lost Road and trying to incorporate them... But they're all wrong. Aaaahhhh!

I *did* manage to suss out Gil-Galad's parentage though.

***RÃan*** · 01-09-2003, 02:23 AM

And I just finished The Lays of Beleriand where they were .... SWITCHED AROUND!!! ......

*runs off screaming*

Elfhelm · 01-10-2003, 05:10 PM

Does the Encyclopedia of Arda document the names correctly? What are your opinions? I suspect it is something of an RPG resource and includes some material that was made up by writers for the Iron Crown Enterprises' MERP system. For instance, they claim to have the names of the Blue Wizards.

But despite that, and from my limited knowledge, their elven family trees seem to be accurate.

Wayfarer · 01-10-2003, 05:16 PM

Which encyclopedia of arda?

I'm aware of at least two.

Blackboar · 01-10-2003, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by RÃ*an
GO BLACKBOAR GO! RAH RAH RAH!! *throws boar-shaped confetti*

Lol!! I think pig-shaped confetti would would be cool!!

The Arda encyclopedia I've got is one by Ted Smart.

I love it!! It has really good illustrations, painted ones!!

It has loads and loads of really detailed maps of Arda in all the ages and all the seperate continents in all the ages

Elfhelm · 01-10-2003, 05:32 PM

Cool. I'll look for it!

I meant the one online, the one that loads so slowly. It has elven family trees. I wonder how accurate they are.

Does your printed Arda Encyclopedia have elven family trees? That would be so useful.

Blackboar · 01-10-2003, 05:38 PM

It has practically everyones trees, before the actuall encyclopedia actually starts it says loads of suft, it sums up the Silmarillion, talks about the creatures of ME and its geography, then it has a person dictionary where it sums everyones personality up and important parts in there life in tH, tS and LotR.

I really love it

Elfhelm · 01-10-2003, 05:53 PM

OK, I'm jealous. I can't find it at Amazon or by searching for Ted Smart and Arda and Encyclopedia. All I get is this pretty cool slow loading website.

Who is the publisher? What is the printing date?

thanks.

Blackboar · 01-10-2003, 06:02 PM

Tolkien-the illustrated encyclopedia

Written by David Day

Publisher=Ted Smart

Just felt like doing it propaply

01-05-2003, 05:26 AM	#63
Elf.Freak Orli's lil fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sugar World/Orlando Bloom Cloud Posts: 464	I found the Silmarrillion quite boring, but i liked the Third Age bit at the end (i read it ages ago, so excuse me if i get it wrong!) __________________ >>--elven arrow--> ~ Give a man a fish and he'll feed for a day, give me a fish and you'll only get it back! ~ I've gotta new avatar! looks kinda like me...anime style! ~ LOST: Orlando Bloom. If found, please send him straight to Elf.Freak

01-08-2003, 05:23 PM	#66
gandalffan2525 Enting Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: mentally or physically? Posts: 64	all the names are so alike that i keep getting them confused (ie:fingolfin, finarfin, finrod felagund) but i'm (or should i say gandalfan2525 is?) starting to get it that almost same name=family, oh well, back to the book frowns in consentration __________________ Never under estamate the power of stupid people in large groups. *************************** I AM,Malpan ************************ Who is X? ************************* click here-->Dagorhir! *************************** "I will personally strangle the next person who refers to ents as 'those talking tree things'"

01-08-2003, 07:51 PM	#67
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	My trick the first time was to skip the background stuff and jump right to the coming of the Elves. Later I went back and read the parts about the Maiar and Valar. I wish he had done a new twist on the Eriol/Aelfwine character and given us the Silmarillion in the manner of Lost Tales. My past altering wish is this: that Bilbo travels to Rivendell after leaving the Ring with Frodo. He is working on his book, but much of the time is spent listening to various elves (who we now know by name) tell the tales out of The Silmarillion. In the middle Frodo comes and goes off on his adventure, then we hear about the world of Men and the Fall of Beleriand. By the time Frodo returns all the stories in The Silm are told and Bilbo naps in the place where stories are told, occasionally telling stories. Then the Bard of Gondor... Oh me and my fantasies. It would have been an easier read, I tell ya. __________________ cya

01-08-2003, 07:59 PM	#68
Maedhros The Tall Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Formenos Posts: 578	You mean the famous Translations from the Elvish? __________________ â€œWhat does the term american refers toâ€ asked the boy, and the wise man answered: â€œLets look at the dictionary then.â€ As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, â€œWhat is America then?â€, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the AÂ·merÂ·iÂ·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, â€œDoes the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?â€ The wise man replied: â€œWhat do you think?â€, and the boy answered: â€œIt is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,â€ the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, â€œAm I right?â€, and he replied: â€œBut of course.â€ The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance.

01-09-2003, 12:42 AM	#70
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	The embarassing thing for me is, even though I am reading the Sil for a second time, I still have trouble remembering who is related to who. Ok, I'm going to try now to name all the F names (no cheating): Finwe had Feanor, Fingolfin and Finafarin. Fingolfin had Finrod. Finafarin had Fingon. I'll have to see if I am right. Edit: Close, but Figolfin had Fingon and Finafarin had Finrod. More studying to do. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. Last edited by cassiopeia : 01-09-2003 at 12:49 AM.

01-05-2003, 05:01 AM	#62
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	Ok, I've just read the Valaquenta. I'm nearly there!! Wow, I need some suport but I'm going to finish it, and understand it if I have to read it 999.999.999.999 times!!

01-07-2003, 06:22 PM	#64
Arcala Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Eating WAY too much peanut butter... Posts: 274	Actually I think the Sil was a good book, if a bit boring in the beginning. Maybe you should try reading it some more!!

01-09-2003, 01:26 AM	#71
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Oh, I've read the Sil many times, and I still have problems keeping those F's straight The only memory trick that has helped me is Fingolfin (the only one of Finwe's sons that has a 'g' in his name) had sons with g's in their names - Fingon and Turgon. Now be sure to edit the first geneology table in the Sil to fix Gil-Galad's parentage __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

01-09-2003, 02:23 AM	#73
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	And I just finished The Lays of Beleriand where they were .... SWITCHED AROUND!!! ...... runs off screaming __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

01-10-2003, 05:10 PM	#74
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Does the Encyclopedia of Arda document the names correctly? What are your opinions? I suspect it is something of an RPG resource and includes some material that was made up by writers for the Iron Crown Enterprises' MERP system. For instance, they claim to have the names of the Blue Wizards. But despite that, and from my limited knowledge, their elven family trees seem to be accurate. __________________ cya

01-10-2003, 05:16 PM	#75
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Which encyclopedia of arda? I'm aware of at least two. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-10-2003, 05:32 PM	#77
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Cool. I'll look for it! I meant the one online, the one that loads so slowly. It has elven family trees. I wonder how accurate they are. Does your printed Arda Encyclopedia have elven family trees? That would be so useful. __________________ cya

01-10-2003, 05:38 PM	#78
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	It has practically everyones trees, before the actuall encyclopedia actually starts it says loads of suft, it sums up the Silmarillion, talks about the creatures of ME and its geography, then it has a person dictionary where it sums everyones personality up and important parts in there life in tH, tS and LotR. I really love it

01-10-2003, 05:53 PM	#79
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	OK, I'm jealous. I can't find it at Amazon or by searching for Ted Smart and Arda and Encyclopedia. All I get is this pretty cool slow loading website. Who is the publisher? What is the printing date? thanks. __________________ cya

01-10-2003, 06:02 PM	#80
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	Tolkien-the illustrated encyclopedia Written by David Day Publisher=Ted Smart Just felt like doing it propaply

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