TOLKIEN LEADS OUR CHILDREN TO SATAN! ... u have to read this!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I disagree, I think it's more likely some of those extremists who look for a devil under every doorknob. I doubt that many of these people are even Christians.

DnD is devil worshipping, Magic Cards are devil worshipping, rpg is devil worshipping, computer games are devil worshipping, Harry Freakin' Potter is devil worshipping, dancing is the work of the devil and invites premarital sex, alcohol is the work of the devil and tempts the drinker to worship the devil... I could go on and on.

DnD and Roleplaying? I didn't know you did those...O.o And yeah, that's pretty ridiculous...I mean, even alcohol is, indirectly, made by God according to Christianity. While it certainly can cause problems in excess...so can just about everything else.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I doubt that many of these people are even Christians.

Trust me, Gwai, they're Christians. I've heard these types talk. I was brought up Catholic. Then my family moved where the nearest Catholic church was pretty far away. My mother started making friends with the local Baptist ladies and started attending their church. Which meant we, the kids, had to go also. After listening to all the crap the preacher would vomit off the pulpit, I finally stood my ground and told her I'd never go back and no one could make me. After giving her my reasons, she allowed me to stay at home while the rest of the family went to this church. (It wouldn't have mattered, I'd have stayed anyway.)

But luckily, I would say that not all Christians are the same. And I'm sure that not all Baptists are the same also. I've met many others who are nothing like the first Baptists I met.

DnD and Roleplaying? I didn't know you did those...O.o

No... not really. My brother tried to get me involved at one time and I wrote some stuff for him a few times. But I attended once or twice, but dang it was boring! Although he said it was just the group that showed up. But I'm not convinced that he wasn't just saying that to get me to do more writing for him and attend another game. Snooze!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Ruinel
1) Trust me, Gwai, they're Christians. I've heard these types talk. I was brought up Catholic. Then my family moved where the nearest Catholic church was pretty far away. My mother started making friends with the local Baptist ladies and started attending their church. Which meant we, the kids, had to go also. After listening to all the crap the preacher would vomit off the pulpit, I finally stood my ground and told her I'd never go back and no one could make me. After giving her my reasons, she allowed me to stay at home while the rest of the family went to this church. (It wouldn't have mattered, I'd have stayed anyway.)

2) But luckily, I would say that not all Christians are the same. And I'm sure that not all Baptists are the same also. I've met many others who are nothing like the first Baptists I met.

1) I doubt it. A Christian is not just someone who goes to church and acts religious.

2) Heh, thanks.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
1) I doubt it. A Christian is not just someone who goes to church and acts religious.

2) Heh, thanks.

1) These people considered themselves Christians (at the Baptist church)
2) I know you also, Gwaimir Windgem, who is a Christian. You're one of the good ones.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

1) To which I would add that many Wiccans consider themselves adherents to a religion old as time. This does not make it so.

2) -happy tears-

[Jonathan]

This thread reminds me of something that happened to me last year.

I was using a search engine to find some information about Tolkien and I found an article about how "Tolkien leads our children to satan". It was located on a website dedicated to some kind of church for Christian extremists in Finland and Sweden. There was a lot of other crazy articles there, but the one about Tolkien really drew my attention.
The writer of the article, among other things, stated that Sauron represented God, and that Tolkien let the characters in LotR wage war against God. That made all LotR fans potential satanists.

I thought that the article was one of the stupidest thing I had ever read, so I sent an e-mail to the writer, explaining some basic things about LotR.

Later, it turned out that I had been fooled. That website and all of it's articles hade been made an written by someone who wanted to make fun of Christian extremists. It was never told on the website that it was all about satire, because the webmaster had wanted it to look real.
I found out that I was not the only one to be fooled. A year earlier, the Swedish newspapers had written about that group of fundamentalists and their crazy ideology. The newspapers didn't know that the group actually didn't exist

They never answered my e-mail

[Ruinel]

Then there is more evidence now that this is a stupid hoax. My heart is glad.

[Lady of Rohan]

Complete Rubbish (re: the article). I am a child (to some), and Tolkien has DEFINATLY not made me worship the devil. In fact, it would be more the opposite, if anything.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Dinnae worry, LoR, it's just a hoax.

[samwise of the shire]

It's a cruel hoax then.

It's like saying, oh look Eärniel has a black cat (which I do) she must be a witch then, lets burn her.

Lol. That reminded me of "We've go' a witch. May we burn 'er!"
There are some people out there who do think all works of fantasy are evil because they aren't qoute en qoute "realistic" (or involve witchcraft which is just flavoring. You don't condemn the dish because of too much salt...you just drink alot of water.) but if you pause to think about it, neither is Christianity. Or is it that both are in truth realistic.
When you compare the foundations of Fantasy(this includes myths) and Christianity you will find they have one major thing in common: GoodvsEvil. GodvsSatan. The GoodvsEvil theme is a fantastical theme itself. When you don't have Good vs. Evil you don't have a story you love, a story you want to go back to. The Christian story is not always full of light and love. The hero dies, evil reigns supreme...for 3 days. But then the light returns. And that kind of thing happens in every fantasy story I've ever read.
*looks over the thread* Oh my goodness. I just realized. I went completely off topic. Oh well, just thought it was an interesting point.
I don't think it was a hoax. I read this article on a different site by a pastor somewhere and he sounded dead serious,
Cheers all,
Sam

[Gwaimir Windgem]

-applauds soundly-

Great post, SotS!

And don't worry, it is a hoax. I think that there may be some authentics, but this is a hoax.

[Gamigar]

AMEN!!!!
I feel excactly the same way on the whole Tolkien's not racist thing, Kwijibo!

[SonOfSamWise]

I did not read the article, but I don't think loving blood, culture and a people is inherently evil.
A people instinctively takes pride in their heritage and culture.
Heritage and culture are outward manifestations of what that people is genetically.
Anglo-Saxon heritage and culture are phenotypes of the northern European genotype.

One might note the faces of the folks under seige in TTT film, and the faces of the wildmen when Saruman was stating that those who resist will be eliminated.
The wildmen are half orc and their pigment is white and black.
What better way to exterminate a people than to mix completely their blood with the blood if orcs.
It's called sperm warfare and it is a form of premeditated genocide.

Also, note these quotes and the following paraphrase.

"What do you think," [said Ugluk.] "Sit on the grass and wait for the Whikeskins to join the picnic?"

"If you’re afraid of the Whiteskins, run!"

"The Whiteskins are coming. What happened to your precious Nazgul?"

"Maggots!" jeered the Isengarders… "The Whikeskins will catch you and eat you."

"They’re not to be killed , unless the filthy Whiteskins break through."

"But these Whiteskins have better night-eyes than most men."

Lord of the Rings, Book Three, Chapter III, The Urak-hai.

The power of the Dark Lord is clear in the divisions among those who still oppose him.
For the shadow has crept northward all about us.

Faramir to Samwise

[GrayMouser]

Originally posted by SonOfSamWise
I did not read the article, but I don't think loving blood, culture and a people is inherently evil.
A people instinctively takes pride in their heritage and culture.
Heritage and culture are outward manifestations of what that people is genetically.
Anglo-Saxon heritage and culture are phenotypes of the northern European genotype.

One might note the faces of the folks under seige in TTT film, and the faces of the wildmen when Saruman was stating that those who resist will be eliminated.
The wildmen are half orc and their pigment is white and black.
What better way to exterminate a people than to mix completely their blood with the blood if orcs.
It's called sperm warfare and it is a form of premeditated genocide.

Also, note these quotes and the following paraphrase.

"What do you think," [said Ugluk.] "Sit on the grass and wait for the Whikeskins to join the picnic?"

"If you’re afraid of the Whiteskins, run!"

"The Whiteskins are coming. What happened to your precious Nazgul?"

"Maggots!" jeered the Isengarders… "The Whikeskins will catch you and eat you."

"They’re not to be killed , unless the filthy Whiteskins break through."

"But these Whiteskins have better night-eyes than most men."

Lord of the Rings, Book Three, Chapter III, The Urak-hai.

The power of the Dark Lord is clear in the divisions among those who still oppose him.
For the shadow has crept northward all about us.

Faramir to Samwise

Are you actually saying what it sounds like you're saying??

[GrayMouser]

A few questions.

Who or what is the "Spearhead of Civilisation"?

The wildmen are half orc and their pigment is white and black.
What better way to exterminate a people than to mix completely their blood with the blood if orcs.
It's called sperm warfare and it is a form of premeditated genocide.

Is this strictly a reference to Wildmen and Orcs or are there other examples of mixing blood and "sperm warfare"?

What are your quotes about Whiteskins referring to?

The power of the Dark Lord is clear in the divisions among those who still oppose him.
For the shadow has crept northward all about us.

What are we supposed to note about this?

[SonOfSamWise]

Universe:

"And long there he lay, an image of the splendor of the Kings of Men in glory undimmed before the breaking of the world."
LOTR, appendix A, II

Example one:
J.R.R. Tolkien

Example two:
Isaac Newton

If you need more examples, try Milton, Dickens, Tolstoy and/or Tesla.
There is no shortage of incomparable European nobility that betray the unequivalent splendor of European Kingdoms.



p.s.
I almost forgot to mention Nietzsche
Nietzsche is Pietzsche.

Love and pity
Son of Samwise

[GrayMouser]

OK, got it, and greetings in Aryan brotherhood.

Now, would the rest of you out there who insist that the possibility of reading racism into Tolkiens' works is just left-wing/ post-modern hatred of the True and the Good please take note?

[GrayMouser]

Originally posted by SonOfSamWise
Universe:

"And long there he lay, an image of the splendor of the Kings of Men in glory undimmed before the breaking of the world."
LOTR, appendix A, II

Example one:
J.R.R. Tolkien

Example two:
Isaac Newton

If you need more examples, try Milton, Dickens, Tolstoy and/or Tesla.
There is no shortage of incomparable European nobility that betray the unequivalent splendor of European Kingdoms.



p.s.
I almost forgot to mention Nietzsche
Nietzsche is Pietzsche.

Love and pity
Son of Samwise

Sure

How about a few more names to the glory of European culture

Newton's modern equivalent, Albert Einstein.

Philosopher Baruch Spinoza, described by contemporaries as the purest man that ever lived.

Heinrich Heine, Germany's greatest poet.

Gustav Mahler, Franz Kafka, Benjamin Disraeli, Maimonides, Mendehlson, Neils Bohr, Marcel Proust, Martin Buber....

I'm sure you would agree that all of these have contributed to the glory of western culture- though I'm not so sure about their "phenotype"

[Blackheart]

It's no Hoax.

They just got the name wrong.

Melkor is god.

Cease your petty strivings

[kiwi52291]

That person was probably just jealous of Tolkien!