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jerseydevil · 01-14-2002, 12:39 AM

I'm 99% sure I read that Weathertop was filmed in a sound stage. I thought it was in the LOTR Official Movie Guide, but I can't find it. It might have been on the official website.

I don't know if the ruins were computer generated or not though.

Gerbil · 01-14-2002, 12:50 AM

It's a pretty unmistakeable hill shape, you have to admit.
I'll see if I have the time to scan it in tomorrow.

fedos · 01-14-2002, 12:51 AM

It was done in a studio, I saw it on the "maing of" show on the sci-fi channel. everything was made out of some sort of plaster casting or something like that. Each peice was cast as if it was brand new and then they took chunks out of them to make them look naturally eroded.

I'm looking at the calendar page in question right now, I can't remember if there was a distance shot of Weathertop in the film and if so could the ruins be seen?

Gerbil · 01-14-2002, 01:00 AM

Yes there are a few distance shots.
I can't remember them all, but I'm fairly certain there is a day time shot giving you the silhoette (how the heck do you spell that?).

I am 100% sure there's a night-time shot of it though - you see the fire going out as Frodo stamps on it - it sets the scene so you realise anyone for miles around can tell they are there. Pretty sure it's the same shot except at night as the day-time one, so they must have done a few still mattes or CGs of it for the hill.

The ruins pretty much cover the whole top, so it's not simply the calender pic is from a different angle.

jerseydevil · 01-14-2002, 01:01 AM

That's where I saw it. There is a distance shot of Weathertop as they're approaching it. It's most likely done with CGI. I don't think they built anything on the mountain.

The distance shots of Rivendell were obviously CGI so I imagine that Weathertop was too.

Starr Polish · 01-14-2002, 01:23 AM

Oh yeah.

Quote:

you got ash in my tomatoes

But...I thought Nazgul couldn't see???

Gerbil · 01-14-2002, 01:36 AM

As far as I'm aware Nazgul have a limited vision of the 'real' world.
They appear to be able to sense life-forces well, and also I'd assume they must be able to see clearly enough several things, fire and water amongst them.

Bit of a bummer for them if they can't, what with them being afraid of them. you can imagine it:

Scene #1:

Nazgul #1: Water eh, the very thought of it makes my legs buckle
Nazgul #2: Bit of a bugger then really that we've just walked straight into a river then, eh?
Nazguls #1 and #2: AAAAIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Scene #21:

Nazgul #1: Fire eh? Not a lot in this world that can hurt us, but fire can. Best steer clear of it really.
Nazgul #2: I take it it's not good then that we've just walked into a bonfire?
Nazguls #1 and #2: AAAAIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

jerseydevil · 01-14-2002, 01:46 AM

Well actually in Knife in he Dark - Strider tells them that the riders "do not see the world of light as we do, but our shadows cast shadows in their minds, which only the noon sun destroys; and in the dark they perceive many signs and forms that are hidden from us; then they are most to be feared... And at all times they smell the blood of living things, desiring and hating it...We can feel their presence...;they feel ours more keenly. Also the Ring draws them."

Also he tells them to gather wood to make a fire - "There is little shelter or defense here, but fire shall serve for both. Sauron can put fire to his evil uses, as he can all things, but these riders do not love it, and fear those who weild it."

Frodo stamping out the fire didn't really make much sense. But since Strider didn't tell Frodo this in the movie - I guess it really didn't matter.

Gerbil · 01-14-2002, 03:37 AM

Interesting article I came across regarding the car scene.
Apparently it's not a car at all, it's meant to be a subtle glimpse of Gildor and co passing through the shire. For a bit more info go to:

http://www.tolkienonline.com/movies/changes_fotr.cfm

and scroll down to 'a glimpse of Gildor'. I am assuming this is the same incident, a bit too coicidental otherwise.

Gerbil · 01-14-2002, 03:54 AM

On another note that list is quite funny, because it details as 'completely reliable' several things that don't appear in the film, and doesn't give much credibility to bits that actually do appear in the film. I suppose updating 'rumours about the film' doesn't make much sense since it's now out.

But it does show some glimpses of interesting things that might be in the fictional 'Director's cut DVD', such as Orcs chasing the fellowship into Lorien - it looks like these scenes were actually filmed. So maybe there's a few more

bropous · 01-14-2002, 11:19 AM

There are a bunch of scenes which were filmed which did not make the theatrical edit, Gerbil. If it turns out Jackson filmed the Bombadil scenes, Old Man Willow, the book version of the Fords, Galdriel's full gift-giving, plus the Gimli/Legolas conflicts/resolutions, I'm gonna have a heart attack...LOL!

fedos · 01-14-2002, 11:56 AM

From the film rumours page:

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According to screenwriter Philippa Boyens, "Tom Bombadil is part of several false starts to Frodo's journey, and you cannot have things happening quite so episodically; that's not what storytelling is all about."

If I had read that before seeing the movie, I would have had a heart attack. I can understand a justification for removing Bombadil, but that ain't one of em :rolleyes. Isn't that basically saying: "We're not sticking to the original story because Tolkien wasn't a good storyteller"?

Elanor · 01-15-2002, 05:23 AM

True, that's not a very flattering quote for her. But I guess movie storytelling is different from long-book storytelling and world-creating. To have a believable mythology you have to have some things that are unexplainable, but it might not make a good adventure sequence--if that's what you're aiming for. :/

The mistake that bugged me the most was the disappearing hand during Boromir's death scene. I noticed this slightly the first time, but was paying more attention to Boromir so it didn't distract me, but the next two times I was so annoyed by the way Boromir's hand appears and disappears that I couldn't focus on the emotion of the scene. At first I wasn't sure if I was seeing right, but I'm certain now that it's a blooper.

***anduin*** · 01-15-2002, 08:58 AM

Yeah, I noticed that one too....continuity error. A friend of mine who didn't like the movie btw, pointed that out on his first (and I assume only) viewing. I wish he hadn't pointed it out to me because now it bothers me and that is probably my favorite scene of the entire movie.

Good to see you back Elanor!

fedos · 01-15-2002, 10:16 AM

Yeah, as I said my brother pointed it out to me on my second viewing, his first. Really destroyed the emotional feeling of the scene because it was so distracting.

Laurelyn · 01-20-2002, 04:32 PM

I have seen the movie three times and I still haven't seen the "car." Oh well, next time . . . I think I was too busy looking at Frodo . . . *slaps self back to reality* Anyway, I didn't notice the thing with Boromir's hand disappearing and reappearing.

By the way, Bropous . . . what does EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED
DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO mean?

~Laurelyn

FrodoFriend · 01-20-2002, 04:45 PM

I've seen the movie four times and STILL not noticed the headlights, or this thing with Boromir's hand!!!

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Really destroyed the emotional feeling of the scene because it was so distracting.

Are you serious? Does it really matter that much? Come on, folks, just watch the movie!!

Renille · 01-20-2002, 05:54 PM

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"Extremely insightful and deeply reflective individuals of rare character and quality who share a deep and abiding knowledge of literary masterworks of extreme detail and delightful creativity, without whom the incredible works of a tremendously talented Oxford professor would fade into obscurity"

That's his title for Tolkien fans. I love it!
I never noticed the hand thing, the car, headlights, anything...except the pillows. I still hate those awful things.

Luthien Tinuviel · 01-21-2002, 12:57 AM

I have either noticed, or read about all these things, except for the pillows. Haven't noticed, and this is the first itme i have heard about it.

coolismo · 01-21-2002, 06:55 AM

I love it when Sam whacks someone with the frying pan. Great sound in the cinema yesterday really got a great clang and crump when it hit. You hear the rush of air as it heads for its target, really makes my shoulders go up every time. Daft though I cant bloody rmember if its the hill troll im Moria or the orcs at the river who cop it. Anyone remember? BTW I love a movie where someone gets hit with a frypan, Indiana Jones did it as well....

01-14-2002, 12:39 AM	#61
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	I'm 99% sure I read that Weathertop was filmed in a sound stage. I thought it was in the LOTR Official Movie Guide, but I can't find it. It might have been on the official website. I don't know if the ruins were computer generated or not though. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-14-2002, 12:50 AM	#62
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	It's a pretty unmistakeable hill shape, you have to admit. I'll see if I have the time to scan it in tomorrow. __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

01-14-2002, 12:51 AM	#63
fedos Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 25	It was done in a studio, I saw it on the "maing of" show on the sci-fi channel. everything was made out of some sort of plaster casting or something like that. Each peice was cast as if it was brand new and then they took chunks out of them to make them look naturally eroded. I'm looking at the calendar page in question right now, I can't remember if there was a distance shot of Weathertop in the film and if so could the ruins be seen? __________________ But the discord of Melkor rose in uproar and contended with it, and again there was a war of sound more violent than before, until many of the Ainur were dismayed and sang no longer, and Melkor had the mastery.

01-14-2002, 01:00 AM	#64
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	Yes there are a few distance shots. I can't remember them all, but I'm fairly certain there is a day time shot giving you the silhoette (how the heck do you spell that?). I am 100% sure there's a night-time shot of it though - you see the fire going out as Frodo stamps on it - it sets the scene so you realise anyone for miles around can tell they are there. Pretty sure it's the same shot except at night as the day-time one, so they must have done a few still mattes or CGs of it for the hill. The ruins pretty much cover the whole top, so it's not simply the calender pic is from a different angle. __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

01-14-2002, 01:01 AM	#65
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	That's where I saw it. There is a distance shot of Weathertop as they're approaching it. It's most likely done with CGI. I don't think they built anything on the mountain. The distance shots of Rivendell were obviously CGI so I imagine that Weathertop was too. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-14-2002, 01:36 AM	#67
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	As far as I'm aware Nazgul have a limited vision of the 'real' world. They appear to be able to sense life-forces well, and also I'd assume they must be able to see clearly enough several things, fire and water amongst them. Bit of a bummer for them if they can't, what with them being afraid of them. you can imagine it: Scene #1: Nazgul #1: Water eh, the very thought of it makes my legs buckle Nazgul #2: Bit of a bugger then really that we've just walked straight into a river then, eh? Nazguls #1 and #2: AAAAIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Scene #21: Nazgul #1: Fire eh? Not a lot in this world that can hurt us, but fire can. Best steer clear of it really. Nazgul #2: I take it it's not good then that we've just walked into a bonfire? Nazguls #1 and #2: AAAAIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

01-14-2002, 01:46 AM	#68
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	Well actually in Knife in he Dark - Strider tells them that the riders "do not see the world of light as we do, but our shadows cast shadows in their minds, which only the noon sun destroys; and in the dark they perceive many signs and forms that are hidden from us; then they are most to be feared... And at all times they smell the blood of living things, desiring and hating it...We can feel their presence...;they feel ours more keenly. Also the Ring draws them." Also he tells them to gather wood to make a fire - "There is little shelter or defense here, but fire shall serve for both. Sauron can put fire to his evil uses, as he can all things, but these riders do not love it, and fear those who weild it." Frodo stamping out the fire didn't really make much sense. But since Strider didn't tell Frodo this in the movie - I guess it really didn't matter. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-14-2002, 03:37 AM	#69
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	Interesting article I came across regarding the car scene. Apparently it's not a car at all, it's meant to be a subtle glimpse of Gildor and co passing through the shire. For a bit more info go to: http://www.tolkienonline.com/movies/changes_fotr.cfm and scroll down to 'a glimpse of Gildor'. I am assuming this is the same incident, a bit too coicidental otherwise. __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

01-14-2002, 03:54 AM	#70
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	On another note that list is quite funny, because it details as 'completely reliable' several things that don't appear in the film, and doesn't give much credibility to bits that actually do appear in the film. I suppose updating 'rumours about the film' doesn't make much sense since it's now out. But it does show some glimpses of interesting things that might be in the fictional 'Director's cut DVD', such as Orcs chasing the fellowship into Lorien - it looks like these scenes were actually filmed. So maybe there's a few more __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

01-14-2002, 11:19 AM	#71
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	There are a bunch of scenes which were filmed which did not make the theatrical edit, Gerbil. If it turns out Jackson filmed the Bombadil scenes, Old Man Willow, the book version of the Fords, Galdriel's full gift-giving, plus the Gimli/Legolas conflicts/resolutions, I'm gonna have a heart attack...LOL! __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-15-2002, 05:23 AM	#73
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	True, that's not a very flattering quote for her. But I guess movie storytelling is different from long-book storytelling and world-creating. To have a believable mythology you have to have some things that are unexplainable, but it might not make a good adventure sequence--if that's what you're aiming for. :/ The mistake that bugged me the most was the disappearing hand during Boromir's death scene. I noticed this slightly the first time, but was paying more attention to Boromir so it didn't distract me, but the next two times I was so annoyed by the way Boromir's hand appears and disappears that I couldn't focus on the emotion of the scene. At first I wasn't sure if I was seeing right, but I'm certain now that it's a blooper. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

01-15-2002, 08:58 AM	#74
*anduin* Entwife Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: louisville Posts: 3,718	Yeah, I noticed that one too....continuity error. A friend of mine who didn't like the movie btw, pointed that out on his first (and I assume only) viewing. I wish he hadn't pointed it out to me because now it bothers me and that is probably my favorite scene of the entire movie. Good to see you back Elanor!

01-15-2002, 10:16 AM	#75
fedos Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 25	Yeah, as I said my brother pointed it out to me on my second viewing, his first. Really destroyed the emotional feeling of the scene because it was so distracting. __________________ But the discord of Melkor rose in uproar and contended with it, and again there was a war of sound more violent than before, until many of the Ainur were dismayed and sang no longer, and Melkor had the mastery.

01-20-2002, 04:32 PM	#76
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	I have seen the movie three times and I still haven't seen the "car." Oh well, next time . . . I think I was too busy looking at Frodo . . . slaps self back to reality Anyway, I didn't notice the thing with Boromir's hand disappearing and reappearing. By the way, Bropous . . . what does EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO mean? ~Laurelyn __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

01-20-2002, 05:54 PM	#78
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO means--- "Extremely insightful and deeply reflective individuals of rare character and quality who share a deep and abiding knowledge of literary masterworks of extreme detail and delightful creativity, without whom the incredible works of a tremendously talented Oxford professor would fade into obscurity" That's his title for Tolkien fans. I love it! I never noticed the hand thing, the car, headlights, anything...except the pillows. I still hate those awful things. __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

01-21-2002, 12:57 AM	#79
Luthien Tinuviel Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 38	I have either noticed, or read about all these things, except for the pillows. Haven't noticed, and this is the first itme i have heard about it. __________________ The leaves were long, the grass was green, The hamlock-umbels tall and fair, And in the glade a light was seen, Of stars in shadow shimmering. Tinúviel was dancing there To music of a pipe unseen, And light of starts was in her hair, And in her raiment glimmering There Beren came from mountains cold, And lost he wandered under leaves, And where the Elven-river rolled. He walked alone and sorrowing. He peered between the hemlock-leaves And saw in wonder flowers of gold Upon her mantle and her sleeves, And her hair like shadow following. He sought her ever, wandering far Where leaves or years were thickly strewn, By light of moon and ray of star In frosty heavens shivering. Her mantle glinted in the moon. And on a hill-top high and far She danced, and at her feet was strewn A mist of silver quivering.

01-21-2002, 06:55 AM	#80
coolismo Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: south england Posts: 93	hit with a frying pan I love it when Sam whacks someone with the frying pan. Great sound in the cinema yesterday really got a great clang and crump when it hit. You hear the rush of air as it heads for its target, really makes my shoulders go up every time. Daft though I cant bloody rmember if its the hill troll im Moria or the orcs at the river who cop it. Anyone remember? BTW I love a movie where someone gets hit with a frypan, Indiana Jones did it as well....