The two towers - Page 4

Radagast The Brown · 09-29-2002, 02:41 PM

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originally posted by cass
I think someone has said this, but I saw on the cover of TTT a sketch drawn of Orthanc and Minas Morgul.

I think so too. I'm almost sure.

Christiana · 09-29-2002, 06:19 PM

yep.i used to have the same book,until it fell apart from so much reading.

Starr Polish · 09-29-2002, 07:16 PM

In "Letters", Tolkien first says he chose the name "The Two Towers" because it is so ambiguous and could relate to many things. Later, though, he says he isn't pleased with the title at all, because it is too ambiguos. According to that letter (and I'm too lazy to go get the book and look up the number) the two towers are Orthanc and Cirith Ungol.

Radagast The Brown · 10-01-2002, 02:30 PM

I think you're wrong, though I can't be sure. Cirith Ungol? well, it's near Minas Morgul.

But was that a tower/turret? I can't remeber. I didn't read tolkien awhile... (forgive me...)

Agburanar · 10-03-2002, 04:20 AM

This is becoming a movie question, but if Tolkien said (and he did) that it refers to Orthanc and Minas Morgul and PJ says something dofferent it just shows how much research he's done. Do not believe the word of a fool... (unless it's Shakespearian)

samwise909 · 10-10-2002, 02:48 PM

It is the alliance between Orthanc and Baradur. I believe.
Do you?

-Sam-

Cirdan · 10-10-2002, 02:54 PM

Orthanc has fallen under the power of Mordor via the palantir. Remember, Saruman was the head of the council of wizards and helped to drive "the necromancer" from Dol Guldur. He was corrupted by Sauron because his hubris led him to believe he could engage Sauron sucessfully.

olsonm · 10-11-2002, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Agburanar
This is becoming a movie question, but if Tolkien said (and he did) that it refers to Orthanc and Minas Morgul and PJ says something dofferent it just shows how much research he's done. Do not believe the word of a fool... (unless it's Shakespearian)

Tolkien also said it was Orthanc and Cirith Ungol. And Minas Tirith and Barad-dur. He never really figured it out because the title has nothing to do with the book. PJ is refering to the the towers in his movie. He can't be wrong about that. And yes, he's done quite a bit of research.

Radagast The Brown · 10-11-2002, 05:55 PM

I think it's Orthank and Minas Morgul. still. prove it's not!!!

olsonm · 10-11-2002, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
I think it's Orthank and Minas Morgul. still. prove it's not!!!

That's just it. It can't be 'proved' either way because Tolkien himself was unsure. He changed his mind several times. I think it's alright to choose any towers you would like.

Blackboar · 12-21-2002, 08:25 AM

Its says in the preview to TTT in the extended version of LotR!|!

BeardofPants · 12-21-2002, 03:36 PM

So? This is the book forum, BB.

Wayfarer · 12-21-2002, 04:06 PM

Well, book three is 'the treaon of isengard' i.e. Orthanc. And book five is centered around the towers of morgul and ungol

Radagast The Brown · 12-22-2002, 05:14 PM

Orthank and Barad-dur, that's what they said in the movie. (I don't think it's right, and I don't think that the movie can tell who are the right towers).

Wayfarer could be right... it sounds like Orthank and Minas Morgul...

CurunÃr · 12-22-2002, 07:12 PM

Why can't it be Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul? I always thought that...

Entlover · 12-22-2002, 08:53 PM

This is a book comment, although it happened cause I went to (the movie):
I recommended the Two Towers to the garage attendant - just across the street from where several hundred people were going to (the movie), and he asked if it was about Sept 11. I guess not everyone is tuned in to Tolkien. It surprised me.

Gwaimir Windgem · 12-22-2002, 09:33 PM

Oh, yeah, I found a link a while ago to a petition circling where people were asking PJ to change the name of TTT, because it was obviously an attempt to get rich off of September 11th. I don't remember the exact number, but there were a LOT of signatures.

Arathorn · 12-22-2002, 09:37 PM

I remember that petition. Most of those who signed actually just wanted to yell at and diss the guy who started the petition for being so stupid. I think most computer literate people are also Tolkien-fans. I'm not sure if he started it as a joke, though.

BeardofPants · 12-23-2002, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by CurunÃ*r
Why can't it be Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul? I always thought that...

Because Minas Tirith doesn't technically come into the story until Return of the King.

Elf Girl · 12-23-2002, 10:27 AM

It says in the Letters that the towers were Orthanc and Cirith Ungol.

09-29-2002, 06:19 PM	#62
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09-29-2002, 07:16 PM	#63
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	In "Letters", Tolkien first says he chose the name "The Two Towers" because it is so ambiguous and could relate to many things. Later, though, he says he isn't pleased with the title at all, because it is too ambiguos. According to that letter (and I'm too lazy to go get the book and look up the number) the two towers are Orthanc and Cirith Ungol. __________________ â€œThe whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.â€ â€“Bertrand Russell

10-01-2002, 02:30 PM	#64
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I think you're wrong, though I can't be sure. Cirith Ungol? well, it's near Minas Morgul. But was that a tower/turret? I can't remeber. I didn't read tolkien awhile... (forgive me...) __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

10-03-2002, 04:20 AM	#65
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	This is becoming a movie question, but if Tolkien said (and he did) that it refers to Orthanc and Minas Morgul and PJ says something dofferent it just shows how much research he's done. Do not believe the word of a fool... (unless it's Shakespearian) __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

10-10-2002, 02:48 PM	#66
samwise909 Sapling Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: shores of the west Posts: 10	The TT It is the alliance between Orthanc and Baradur. I believe. Do you? -Sam-

10-10-2002, 02:54 PM	#67
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	Orthanc has fallen under the power of Mordor via the palantir. Remember, Saruman was the head of the council of wizards and helped to drive "the necromancer" from Dol Guldur. He was corrupted by Sauron because his hubris led him to believe he could engage Sauron sucessfully. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

10-11-2002, 05:55 PM	#69
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I think it's Orthank and Minas Morgul. still. prove it's not!!! __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

12-21-2002, 08:25 AM	#71
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	Its says in the preview to TTT in the extended version of LotR!\|! Last edited by Blackboar : 12-21-2002 at 08:34 AM.

12-21-2002, 03:36 PM	#72
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12-21-2002, 04:06 PM	#73
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Well, book three is 'the treaon of isengard' i.e. Orthanc. And book five is centered around the towers of morgul and ungol __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

12-22-2002, 05:14 PM	#74
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	Orthank and Barad-dur, that's what they said in the movie. (I don't think it's right, and I don't think that the movie can tell who are the right towers). Wayfarer could be right... it sounds like Orthank and Minas Morgul... __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

12-22-2002, 07:12 PM	#75
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12-22-2002, 08:53 PM	#76
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	This is a book comment, although it happened cause I went to (the movie): I recommended the Two Towers to the garage attendant - just across the street from where several hundred people were going to (the movie), and he asked if it was about Sept 11. I guess not everyone is tuned in to Tolkien. It surprised me.

12-22-2002, 09:33 PM	#77
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Oh, yeah, I found a link a while ago to a petition circling where people were asking PJ to change the name of TTT, because it was obviously an attempt to get rich off of September 11th. I don't remember the exact number, but there were a LOT of signatures. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

12-22-2002, 09:37 PM	#78
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I remember that petition. Most of those who signed actually just wanted to yell at and diss the guy who started the petition for being so stupid. I think most computer literate people are also Tolkien-fans. I'm not sure if he started it as a joke, though. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lÃºmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

12-23-2002, 10:27 AM	#80
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