Prophecy for the end of the world in 2012 - Page 4

hectorberlioz · 09-25-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

I would just like to squeal with excitement at seeing a poll on Entmoot.

*squeal*

Thank you very much.

Also, I posit no theory as to when the world will end or not end. I think it is silly to say that it will end soon (except in the Aslan sense of 'soon'), just as it is silly to say that it will not end soon. Quite simply, we don't know.

The Two

...(in other words, I agree

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trolls' bane · 09-25-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spock

Actually I've known about the prophesies for quite some time, so, for me it isn't a "suddenly in six years" thing.

Think nuclear N. Korea, Iran = possible confrontation, leading to battle in the valley of Armeggdon or there abouts.
The geopolitical climate has all the elements in play right now for the germination of the fulfillment in six years.

The only problem I see is that Iran isn't even enriching their uranium enough to make nuclear weapons, or more politically correct, WMDs. Unless there is somethign recent going on. No offense to my own countrymen, but I think America is a major part of the problem in our tendency to think we're better because we're more advanced. The laws of nature don't seem to apply to us, and it's gotten to our heads. Hell, I'd take a day on Entmoot over a week-long walk through the desert to see some crystal caves that were about to be shattered by the aria-singing sand dunes any day. (Admittedly, that's an example. I'd be the first one there!

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Lief Erikson · 09-26-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by trolls' bane

The only problem I see is that Iran isn't even enriching their uranium enough to make nuclear weapons,

Can you prove that? I'd like to see your source.

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Originally Posted by trolls' bane

or more politically correct, WMDs.

Just out of curiosity, why is that more politically correct nowadays? I've always thought of that as just a more general, inclusive term. But with Iran we're concerned specifically about nuclear weapons. I haven't heard of any serious chemical or biological weapon concerns, anyway.

hectorberlioz · 09-26-2006, 11:32 AM

Not to mention Iran's decline to have us help them with alternative sources of energy besides uranium....that speaks volumes.

Nerdanel · 09-26-2006, 11:47 AM

If we all would look at ourselves first, explore our own strenghts and weaknesses, and also consider alternative views, perhaps we could slow down the race for destroying the planet.. If we believe that the end of the world will come because of humans, that is.

Nerdanel · 09-26-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

Can you prove that? I'd like to see your source.

I'm sure that's the same source you should use to show that they produce enough of it. Right?
My reason and logic tells me that if something should be proven, it's the accusations - that is, that Iran 1) enriches enough uranium to make WMDs and 2) if they do, would use it for making nuclear weapons. The null hypothesis would be that Iran isn't doing anything but providing itself with energy. If you can, prove that the hypothesis is wrong.
That's how my mind works, but we're all different..

rohirrim TR · 09-26-2006, 12:04 PM

*Sigh*

well you know 2012 is a good number but in a way it would kind of suck. I don't know nada about mayan prophecys so thats how I voted and as TB says this thread will not affect but i'll post here, not for conversational purposes but because this thread deserves have my name recognition added to it to either bring to stardom or to shut it down. MWA hA HA HA HA

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-26-2006, 12:19 PM

For the recorded, I chose the last result. While the second is technically true, it implies that I believe that the world is not nearing its end.

hectorberlioz · 09-26-2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

For the recorded, I chose the last result. While the second is technically true, it implies that I believe that the world is not nearing its end.

And the third option is so neutral?

...I didn't quite like the "World is not Ending" option, but I mentally added..."not just yet, anyways".

Lief Erikson · 09-26-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerdanel

I'm sure that's the same source you should use to show that they produce enough of it. Right?
My reason and logic tells me that if something should be proven, it's the accusations - that is, that Iran 1) enriches enough uranium to make WMDs and 2) if they do, would use it for making nuclear weapons. The null hypothesis would be that Iran isn't doing anything but providing itself with energy. If you can, prove that the hypothesis is wrong.
That's how my mind works, but we're all different..

You make a good point. Here's my response:

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

A 2005 assessment by the International Institute for Strategic Studies concluded "if Iran threw caution to the wind, and sought a nuclear weapon capability as quickly as possible without regard for international reaction, it might be able to produce enough HEU for a single nuclear weapon by the end of this decade", assuming no technical problems. More plausible development programmes Iran could choose to follow would take over a decade.

Note that HEU stands for "highly enriched uranium." You may already know that, but I didn't, so I'm just including the definition.

Rosie Gamgee · 09-26-2006, 04:38 PM

*jumping into the middle of this* I voted 'I do believe we're approaching the end of the world'. I don't think that it'll nesicarily happen in 2012 (although it may), but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in my life-time.
As for the prophecies that mention 2012, I've not read any of the material so I can't comment. My persuasion is based on Biblical prophecy, the fulfilment of which is coming to something of a head.

sun-star · 09-26-2006, 05:04 PM

I voted for the third option, mainly because I'm not familiar with the details of these prophecies, but also because I think Nurv had a good point about calendar variations and such...

However, generally speaking I agree with Hector:

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

only God knows

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-26-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

And the third option is so neutral?

...I didn't quite like the "World is not Ending" option, but I mentally added..."not just yet, anyways".

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I am not familiar with such prophesies and have no opinion.

Doesn't much more neutral than that.

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Originally Posted by Rosie

My persuasion is based on Biblical prophecy, the fulfilment of which is coming to something of a head.

My fellow Christians have been saying that for quite some time; it's starting to lose its 'umph' with me.

Believe it or not, I was once one of those who believed it would be ending 1999.

hectorberlioz · 09-26-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Doesn't much more neutral than that.

Not really...

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My fellow Christians have been saying that for quite some time; it's starting to lose its 'umph' with me.

It really has...and I fail to see what people plan on doing when the time comes for the world to end; what are you going to do, pack?

We were some of the ones who believed the Y2K thing...

We should do these polls more often

Curubethion · 09-26-2006, 08:48 PM

Bring it on, 2012!

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-26-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Not really...

C'mon, "no opinion" is the definition of neutrality. Look in any good dictionary, and under "neutrality", you'll see a picture of "no opinion".

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Originally Posted by Curu

Bring it on, 2012!

Amen!

rohirrim TR · 09-26-2006, 11:06 PM

this is really strange I posted here earlier and the thread is still open, its like I lost my power to post in a thread and watch Mods close it down in front of my eyes. whats happening around here?

Hey Curubethion have you heard Switchfoots new single yet?

Spock · 09-27-2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rohirrim TR

this is really strange I posted here earlier and the thread is still open, its like I lost my power to post in a thread and watch Mods close it down in front of my eyes. whats happening around here?

Hey Curubethion have you heard Switchfoots new single yet?

If you look at my first opening post, it says the thread will be closed in ten days from the opening.
Also, in a poll, you only get to vote once.

Hector: The third option: I am not familiar with such prophesies and have no opinion, is not neutral, it is a question to determine how many never heard of these prophesies.

hectorberlioz · 09-27-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

C'mon, "no opinion" is the definition of neutrality. Look in any good dictionary, and under "neutrality", you'll see a picture of "no opinion".

But you DO have an opinion...just not one that fits perfectly with Option No.2

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-27-2006, 01:58 PM

I neither believe in nor reject the imminence of the end of the world. That's no opinion.

View Poll Results: Do you believe in ancient predictions of the end of the world in 2012?
I believe we are approaching the end of the world.	5	19.23%
I do not believe we are approaching the end of the world	16	61.54%
I am not familiar with such prophesies and have no opinion.	5	19.23%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

09-26-2006, 11:32 AM	#64
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09-26-2006, 11:47 AM	#65
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	If we all would look at ourselves first, explore our own strenghts and weaknesses, and also consider alternative views, perhaps we could slow down the race for destroying the planet.. If we believe that the end of the world will come because of humans, that is. __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

09-26-2006, 12:19 PM	#68
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	For the recorded, I chose the last result. While the second is technically true, it implies that I believe that the world is not nearing its end. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-26-2006, 04:38 PM	#71
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	jumping into the middle of this I voted 'I do believe we're approaching the end of the world'. I don't think that it'll nesicarily happen in 2012 (although it may), but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in my life-time. As for the prophecies that mention 2012, I've not read any of the material so I can't comment. My persuasion is based on Biblical prophecy, the fulfilment of which is coming to something of a head. __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

09-26-2006, 08:48 PM	#75
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	Bring it on, 2012! __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

09-27-2006, 01:58 PM	#80
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I neither believe in nor reject the imminence of the end of the world. That's no opinion. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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