Wraiths - Page 4

Embladyne · 01-25-2005, 03:59 PM

Thankyou El for your spelling lesson.

I wonder about Isildur, too..

ItalianLegolas · 01-25-2005, 04:02 PM

I know that they say that Olorin was the wisest of the Maiar, but then how did Curunir land the job of head honcho of the order of the Istari? IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE!!

Embladyne · 01-25-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

I know that they say that Olorin was the wisest of the Maiar, but then how did Curunir land the job of head honcho of the order of the Istari? IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE!!

Olorin declined it, if I remember rightly.
He said he was afraid of Sauron, and that he would make a bad canidate for the istari, but they told him, no that makes you a better one. go figure

Elemmírë · 01-25-2005, 04:21 PM

Galadriel wanted Olorin to have the job. But considering Curumo's ambition, it's no real surprise that he got the job.

It might also have been due to the fact that Olorin spent much of his time dealing with the different races of ME, while Curumo studied the arcane ways and knowledge of the Enemy (knowledge that eventually led to his destruction...), and thus seemed more suited the job. At least that's the way I see it.

eh... sorry about the Quenya names. Curumo/Curunir/Saruman
and the constant repetition of "the job"

ItalianLegolas · 01-25-2005, 04:24 PM

now he sounds like a wimp, thats not cool

Embladyne · 01-25-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

now he sounds like a wimp, thats not cool

Actually, his fear was greater because he had knowledge of the true power of Morgoth and his servant Sauron. In my opinion, Saruman was just too ambitious to care that the job might be out of his league, or take more effort than he was willing to put forth. Olorin was really the only one truly prepared for "the job," the way I see it.

ItalianLegolas · 01-25-2005, 04:40 PM

yeah, I guess, I mean, Radagast disn't really do anything to stop Sauron, unless he trained a whole army of killer animals!

Embladyne · 01-25-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

yeah, I guess, I mean, Radagast disn't really do anything to stop Sauron, unless he trained a whole army of killer animals!

Careful there, don't go badmouthing Aiwendil. Could you have survived for millenia with just birds and beasts to talk to?

ItalianLegolas · 01-25-2005, 04:51 PM

no, but nor would I want to

Embladyne · 01-25-2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

no, but nor would I want to

well, then. "Judge not, that ye may be judged."

ItalianLegolas · 01-25-2005, 04:55 PM

okay, judge i shalt not

Elemmírë · 01-25-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Embladyne

Careful there, don't go badmouthing Aiwendil. Could you have survived for millenia with just birds and beasts to talk to?

*wanders through forest singing a la Sleeping Beauty*

You know... didn't he send the eagles? I heard that somewhere.

ItalianLegolas · 01-25-2005, 05:06 PM

send the eagles where? when?

Pytt · 01-25-2005, 05:09 PM

I am popular today, it seems

Aiwndil? I do not know. Maybe you could ask that young Gwaihir..

Embladyne · 01-25-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Elemmire

*wanders through forest singing a la Sleeping Beauty*

You know... didn't he send the eagles? I heard that somewhere.

I'm pretty sure he did.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 01-25-2005, 05:10 PM

Yeah he did. To Isenguard, bringing news to Gandalf and Saruman. So in a way if it weren't for him the Ring wouldn't have been destroyed.

ItalianLegolas · 01-25-2005, 05:14 PM

in an extremely subtle way mind you

Embladyne · 01-25-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

Yeah he did. To Isenguard, bringing news to Gandalf and Saruman. So in a way if it weren't for him the Ring wouldn't have been destroyed.

True that. I'm sure he was aware also that Sauron's victory would mean evil for the animals he cared so much for.
Oh, I was rereading part of the Silm last night, and I think I was reading that Aule created the ents because Yavannah wanted the trees to have some form of protector.

Or did I just imagine all that?

ItalianLegolas · 01-25-2005, 05:22 PM

The ents were originally just spirits, but they eventually turned into trees.
I just read something that said that Eru gave the Olvar(Flora) and the Kelvar(fauna) each a gift, he gave the Olvar mobility, and the Kelvar spirits so harm would not come to them because they could not move. I think that Aule and Ent thing is right, I'll check

Pytt · 01-25-2005, 05:24 PM

Hey, people. You think all was this Radagasts doing? i think the ealges knew exactly was going on, and with their slightly dumber friend, Radagast, they planned it all out. so this ring it was such a rabble about, was destroyed.

01-25-2005, 03:59 PM	#61
Embladyne Honourary Elitist Inklette Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: between the mountains and the sea Posts: 704	Thankyou El for your spelling lesson. I wonder about Isildur, too.. __________________ Even on the pinnacle of a palace a crow does not become an eagle. My DA page

01-25-2005, 04:02 PM	#62
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	I know that they say that Olorin was the wisest of the Maiar, but then how did Curunir land the job of head honcho of the order of the Istari? IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE!! __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-25-2005, 04:21 PM	#64
Elemmírë avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	Galadriel wanted Olorin to have the job. But considering Curumo's ambition, it's no real surprise that he got the job. It might also have been due to the fact that Olorin spent much of his time dealing with the different races of ME, while Curumo studied the arcane ways and knowledge of the Enemy (knowledge that eventually led to his destruction...), and thus seemed more suited the job. At least that's the way I see it. eh... sorry about the Quenya names. Curumo/Curunir/Saruman and the constant repetition of "the job" __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

01-25-2005, 04:24 PM	#65
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	now he sounds like a wimp, thats not cool __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-25-2005, 04:40 PM	#67
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	yeah, I guess, I mean, Radagast disn't really do anything to stop Sauron, unless he trained a whole army of killer animals! __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-25-2005, 04:51 PM	#69
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	no, but nor would I want to __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-25-2005, 04:55 PM	#71
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	okay, judge i shalt not __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-25-2005, 05:06 PM	#73
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	send the eagles where? when? __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-25-2005, 05:09 PM	#74
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	I am popular today, it seems Aiwndil? I do not know. Maybe you could ask that young Gwaihir.. __________________ Don't Panic!

01-25-2005, 05:10 PM	#76
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Yeah he did. To Isenguard, bringing news to Gandalf and Saruman. So in a way if it weren't for him the Ring wouldn't have been destroyed. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

01-25-2005, 05:14 PM	#77
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	in an extremely subtle way mind you __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-25-2005, 05:22 PM	#79
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	The ents were originally just spirits, but they eventually turned into trees. I just read something that said that Eru gave the Olvar(Flora) and the Kelvar(fauna) each a gift, he gave the Olvar mobility, and the Kelvar spirits so harm would not come to them because they could not move. I think that Aule and Ent thing is right, I'll check __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-25-2005, 05:24 PM	#80
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	Hey, people. You think all was this Radagasts doing? i think the ealges knew exactly was going on, and with their slightly dumber friend, Radagast, they planned it all out. so this ring it was such a rabble about, was destroyed. __________________ Don't Panic!

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