10-06-2002, 05:28 AM | #61 |
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My favourite was always Edmund too, but I liked Peter sometimes and, of course, Caspian (how can anyone not? ) My least favourite book is the Horse and his Boy - there's not enough Narnia in it, but then you could say the same about Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and that's my favourite... hmm. Not enough Narnian atmosphere, perhaps.
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10-10-2002, 01:11 PM | #62 |
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I agree with sun-star in that Dawn Treader is perhaps my favourite (or maybe Caspian), and The Horse and His Boy my least. Maybe because the allegory in THaHB is annoyingly blatant, but also because the journey in Dawn Treader was just more enthralling on the whole, and the imagery far lusher.
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10-11-2002, 07:52 PM | #63 |
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I did not get the allegory in TH and HB; what was it?
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If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun |
10-15-2002, 08:02 PM | #64 |
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Well, summed up into two lines...
Shasta = Moses Aslan = God
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10-17-2002, 01:00 PM | #65 |
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oohhhhhhhhhhhh
still don´t, get it sorry
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If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun |
10-17-2002, 10:31 PM | #66 |
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To put it blunty, it's basically an overview of the events in the book of Exodus minus the Ten Plagues, and then made to fit in the book of Narnia. Alsan is the Hebrew god leading them to the promised land (Narnia) out of the desert kingdom of the people whose name begins with C who live in the desert as did the Egyptians. Also, Shasta is a leader like Moses seeing as he's leading the ragtag group of escapees, though at the same time escaping himself as well as being flawed and sometimes doubtful.
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10-18-2002, 09:41 AM | #67 |
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OOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Thank ee' for explaining nú skil ég, takk
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10-18-2002, 11:08 PM | #68 |
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Yeah, if I recall correctly, the parallels are pretty direct - like Moses, Shasta first arrives in Calormen by way of floating in from the river...
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10-23-2002, 08:42 AM | #69 |
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hmmmmmm
Did C.S. Lewis mean for his stories to be Symbolic, or was it an accident... or was it not meant to be interpreted (spl?)?
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10-23-2002, 02:41 PM | #70 |
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I believe C.S. Lewis intentionally created Narnia as a model through which he could introduce children to principles of Christian faith.
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10-23-2002, 07:28 PM | #71 |
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The symoblism to me which is the most certain and the most obvious is the parallel between the death and resurrection of Aslan, and the death and resurrection of Jesus. And he uses this to defeat evil's grip on the world/The witch's grip on Edmund. The simple fact that this plain symbolism happened makes it very likely that the symbolisms in all the others also really were intended that way.
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10-24-2002, 08:02 AM | #72 |
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Are you sure he did it intentionally? I think he did the lion the witch and the wardrobe like that but are you sure about the rest does it say that somewere?
And where did you get your name Lief Eirikson?
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10-24-2002, 12:50 PM | #73 |
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Well, C.S. Lewis was a Christian, and if he did all of the symbolisms in his books by accident, then either it was a divinely intended accident, or it was one of the most incredible pieces of 'chance' that ever happened.
And my name isn't Lief Eirikson, but I got Lief Erikson from a hero I invented when I was younger. He's the son of Ronin Erikson, who is married to Nres Erikson, and his brother is Reran Erikson. Those are all of his family that I've created, except Wolf Erikson who is a later descendent. I'm not sure who his mother or father are. They're primarily Star Wars heroes, although Lief Erikson has been through a lot of other things as well besides Star Wars. |
10-25-2002, 05:33 AM | #74 |
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name thing
Wow there is a famous(spl?) Viking named Leif Eirikson
his father found Greenland and his fathers name was EirÃ*kur Rauði or Erik the red
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10-25-2002, 02:27 PM | #75 |
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I know that, and I knew that there was a real Leif Erikson in history too at the time I chose to use the name. I didn't know who he was then, though, and I was younger. So I didn't know how to spell 'Leif.' When I chose to use it on Entmoot, some time later, I simply went on spelling it the same way I always had.
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10-25-2002, 03:27 PM | #76 |
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Ohhhhhhhh
ok thank you for the time you took to explain it to me
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If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun |
10-25-2002, 03:58 PM | #77 |
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A pleasure. Would you like to reciprocate with information about your own user name?
Not that this isn't completely off topic, but I think we're the only two posting here anyway . |
10-25-2002, 07:38 PM | #78 |
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Well nothing special I made it up and liked it
made it up by adding allot of letters together and it spelt Reumadar I thought it very powerfull and Lordly I don't know Really off topic though he he
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10-26-2002, 03:59 PM | #79 |
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Back to topic! :-)
Symbolism in Narnia:
Lewis was much less hostile to the idea of allegory than Tolkien was. You can't do a straight allegory to anything, but the principles of christianity; loving self-sacrifice, childlike faith, and many more are clearly visible. The idea that drove Lewis (and Tolkien, though they used different ways to express it) was that all the stories that were ever invented were merely copies, "dim reflections" if you will, of a TRUE story, which was the story throughout the ages of time of the gospel. Sin, salvation, redemption, eternal life...those are all elements of these simple copies which point toward the one true story...they are ways of naming the true story. Sorry about the crossover, but think of Treebeard and his lengthy names and depth of history. A name like a "tree" for a thing so deep and historical as a real tree is is "just too hasty". Lewis "Deep Magic" is older and deeper than time, and quite unknowable, but all the other magic of his world stems from and points to that deep magic.
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10-26-2002, 11:24 PM | #80 |
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I read it along time ago, and have been trying to read it again, but I never have enough time. Lucy is definatly my fave. My fave book is "The voyage of the Daw Treader". I love that one, and I cry every time, at the end, where the mouse((Like I said it was a long time ago, I don't remeber his name)) when the mouse left.
Wow Englishnerd, you make it sound so easy to explain it. I could never come up with that without taking hours, then i would still not have it sound right.
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