Opinions/Theories about the Nature and State of Bomadil (Tom) - Page 4

The Ringbearer · 07-13-2002, 11:46 PM

I always thought that he was Tolkien's version of Father Time. Well......a very eccentric, happy-go-lucky Father Time who "just wants to.......SING!"

It sounds like Tolkien wanted to keep us guessing about Tom. Maybe Tom was Aule's son or something.

I don't think we are supposed to figure this out......

The Ringbearer · 07-13-2002, 11:48 PM

Oh. I forgot the strange dress code.

Entlover · 07-18-2002, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by Khamûl
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My opinions about Tom might be posted later if I feel like it.

Of course, we all know that Khamul is the 2nd Nazgul's given name. Are you really Tom B also?

Ñólendil · 07-18-2002, 12:56 AM

Aule's son! Now I have heard everything! The Valar did not have children. The only Ainur who had or could have had children were those who assumed a physical embodiment, either given to them or of their own will, whereby they would become subject to the hardships endured by Men, Elves and other Races. Ungoliant and Melian are two examples of Maiar who assumed long-term bodily form and had children. The Istari were given such forms in the Second and Third Ages, but if anyone of them had children it is not recorded by Tolkien. None none of the Valar ever assumed these kinds of forms, except for fallen Morgoth.

In any event the Elves knew Tom as Benadar, which means "Fatherless".

***Khamûl*** · 07-18-2002, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by Entlover

Of course, we all know that Khamul is the 2nd Nazgul's given name. Are you really Tom B also?

Yes I am. My cover is blown and the mystery is finally solved. How on earth did you figure it out? I was careful to cover my tracks. But see, what you don't know is that there are other Tom Bombadils out there. They all are claiming to be Tom too. You never know, you might be living right beside a Tom. In fact, it's all part of our diabolical plan to stop the debate once and for all (and take over the world while we're at it). Just remember... trust no one.

I'm so full of crap.

TinuvielChild · 07-29-2002, 04:15 PM

I really liked Erendis's theory (all right, the one he/she/it posted. Erendis claims it is not his/her/its personal theory, but I still like it. Apologies to Erendis; I don't know whether you're male, female, or neuter, as you haven't been here very long), and I suppose I could go along with the one someone posted a while back about Gandalf being Tom. Was that Khamul who posted that one?

Erendis · 07-29-2002, 09:07 PM

For anyone who cares-- I am a female.

The theory, by the way, is by someone named BurraHobbit on another discussion board.

TinuvielChild · 07-30-2002, 03:49 PM

Okay. So the theory that Erendis posted, which she got from someone called BurraHobbit on another board, is one that I can agree with.

Archbob the Elder · 08-01-2002, 09:32 AM

Has anyone read or even seen the book "The adventures of Tom Bombadil"?

samwiselvr2008 · 08-01-2002, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Archbob the Elder
Has anyone read or even seen the book "The adventures of Tom Bombadil"?

i haven't, but i would like to read it! maybe you should check the library!

Archbob the Elder · 08-02-2002, 12:19 AM

On the back cover of the Simirillian, it states that tolkien did write such a book, never seen it though, in any bookstore or library.

BeardofPants · 08-02-2002, 01:12 AM

It was one of Tolkien's earlier works. I'm not sure how you'd go about procuring a copy, but I would suggest the library. Or perhaps amazon.

cassiopeia · 08-02-2002, 06:07 AM

The advertures of Tom Bombadil is a collection of poems by hobbits isn't it? Actually I think Bilbo wrote some of them. I have seen it at my library, I will borrow it one of these days.

samwiselvr2008 · 08-02-2002, 10:53 AM

i don't think that it is at my library, because i think that i allready checked out all of the tolkien books, but i'll get my mommy to check b/c she works right next to the library!

Urksnik the Sleek · 08-05-2002, 04:38 PM

I too agree with Erendis (I saw burrahobbit's argument too, but you posted before I could get there).
I've got a copy of The adventures of Tom Bombadil somewhere, it comes in a dual book with Farmer Giles of Ham, so you might have better look searching under that name, although it may be out of print.

BeardofPants · 08-05-2002, 05:42 PM

For gods sake, use inter-branch loaning. If good ol' backwards NZ has this function, then you guys should.

cassiopeia · 08-05-2002, 10:24 PM

Ahh, libraries are great arn't they? The only JJRT book I have is the LOTR, the rest I borrow from the library. I have now put on hold the history of middle earth. They have the adventures of tom at my crap library, so other libraries should have them too.

gimli7410 · 03-06-2003, 12:23 AM

i love the library

Khadrane · 03-08-2003, 06:56 PM

I like the theory Erendis posted too.

Oh yeah, another reason Tom can't be the Witch-King is because he said he wasn't master of the riders out of the Black Land.

The Lady of Ithilien · 03-10-2003, 03:15 PM

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You never know, you might be living right beside a Tom.

Well, for a couple of weeks I was, but then I had him neutered and now my cat's just a mellow little fluff ball.

Sorry. Couldn't resist that.

I love the Witch King theory, and the four elements theory is one I've never heard before (wouldn't Gandalf be "air," as he never settled in one place?), but my favorite is the "Tom is the reader" theory. That business about the reader being the only one besides Tom who was present in the room and could see Frodo wearing the Ring.... And in "The Old Forest" in Fellowship of the Ring, there's another mention of a gate when the hobbits come upon the Withywindle:

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After stumbling along for some way along the stream, they came quite suddenly out of the gloom. As if through a gate they saw the sunlight before them...

Hmmmm......

07-13-2002, 11:46 PM	#61
The Ringbearer Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Crickhollow in the summer, and Rivendell in the winter Posts: 397	I always thought that he was Tolkien's version of Father Time. Well......a very eccentric, happy-go-lucky Father Time who "just wants to.......SING!" It sounds like Tolkien wanted to keep us guessing about Tom. Maybe Tom was Aule's son or something. I don't think we are supposed to figure this out...... __________________ 'Go away, and never come back!!' '......what?' 'But you're a part of this world! Aren't you?' Frodo lives!

07-13-2002, 11:48 PM	#62
The Ringbearer Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Crickhollow in the summer, and Rivendell in the winter Posts: 397	Oh. I forgot the strange dress code. __________________ 'Go away, and never come back!!' '......what?' 'But you're a part of this world! Aren't you?' Frodo lives!

07-18-2002, 12:56 AM	#64
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Aule's son! Now I have heard everything! The Valar did not have children. The only Ainur who had or could have had children were those who assumed a physical embodiment, either given to them or of their own will, whereby they would become subject to the hardships endured by Men, Elves and other Races. Ungoliant and Melian are two examples of Maiar who assumed long-term bodily form and had children. The Istari were given such forms in the Second and Third Ages, but if anyone of them had children it is not recorded by Tolkien. None none of the Valar ever assumed these kinds of forms, except for fallen Morgoth. In any event the Elves knew Tom as Benadar, which means "Fatherless". __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

07-29-2002, 04:15 PM	#66
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	I really liked Erendis's theory (all right, the one he/she/it posted. Erendis claims it is not his/her/its personal theory, but I still like it. Apologies to Erendis; I don't know whether you're male, female, or neuter, as you haven't been here very long), and I suppose I could go along with the one someone posted a while back about Gandalf being Tom. Was that Khamul who posted that one? __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

07-29-2002, 09:07 PM	#67
Erendis Sapling Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 11	For anyone who cares-- I am a female. The theory, by the way, is by someone named BurraHobbit on another discussion board. __________________ A Elentári Tintalle silmarin penda m?rea menello alcar eldion! Haiyanna palant?rina aldarembie endorillor Fanoiolosse, len linduvan nive ear, simen nive earon!

07-30-2002, 03:49 PM	#68
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	Okay. So the theory that Erendis posted, which she got from someone called BurraHobbit on another board, is one that I can agree with. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

08-01-2002, 09:32 AM	#69
Archbob the Elder Enting Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 77	Has anyone read or even seen the book "The adventures of Tom Bombadil"? __________________ Get Free Stuff

08-02-2002, 12:19 AM	#71
Archbob the Elder Enting Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 77	On the back cover of the Simirillian, it states that tolkien did write such a book, never seen it though, in any bookstore or library. __________________ Get Free Stuff

08-02-2002, 01:12 AM	#72
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	It was one of Tolkien's earlier works. I'm not sure how you'd go about procuring a copy, but I would suggest the library. Or perhaps amazon. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-02-2002, 06:07 AM	#73
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	The advertures of Tom Bombadil is a collection of poems by hobbits isn't it? Actually I think Bilbo wrote some of them. I have seen it at my library, I will borrow it one of these days. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

08-02-2002, 10:53 AM	#74
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	i don't think that it is at my library, because i think that i allready checked out all of the tolkien books, but i'll get my mommy to check b/c she works right next to the library! __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

08-05-2002, 04:38 PM	#75
Urksnik the Sleek Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: under the misty mountains Posts: 33	I too agree with Erendis (I saw burrahobbit's argument too, but you posted before I could get there). I've got a copy of The adventures of Tom Bombadil somewhere, it comes in a dual book with Farmer Giles of Ham, so you might have better look searching under that name, although it may be out of print.

08-05-2002, 05:42 PM	#76
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	For gods sake, use inter-branch loaning. If good ol' backwards NZ has this function, then you guys should. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-05-2002, 10:24 PM	#77
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Ahh, libraries are great arn't they? The only JJRT book I have is the LOTR, the rest I borrow from the library. I have now put on hold the history of middle earth. They have the adventures of tom at my crap library, so other libraries should have them too. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

03-06-2003, 12:23 AM	#78
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	i love the library __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

03-08-2003, 06:56 PM	#79
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	I like the theory Erendis posted too. Oh yeah, another reason Tom can't be the Witch-King is because he said he wasn't master of the riders out of the Black Land. __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

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