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I think Tolkien's brain wasn't all there when he wrote that obsure letter only 2 years before his death where he says that it makes more sense that they came from men. I especially feel this way - because it states in Lord of the Rings that they were from elves. I think he simply forgot what he had written - which he often did. His notes were a disaster - asi s well documented and he often forgot what he had written.
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I doubt he had forgotten- he was intentionally remaking Middle-Earth throughout his whole life.
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My point given above is that most people who have read the books like the movies. I'm curious why there is such a high concentration of people here who answer azalea's statement of the topic with a definite "no" to the first statement and "yes" to the second. I'm just going to take a wild guess and say that this site was made of, by, and for the book fanatics. If so, why not just close the movie forum and declare all discussion of the movies off-topic? Because every time anyone likes anything about the movies, a half dozen rabid fans attack him, and they aren't very civil about it either.
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I have said REPEATEDLY and I will say it again - the movies were AVERAGE. They were action movies.
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You can state your opinion all you want. All caps does not turn an opinion into a fact. I believe BB is right when he says some people here need to mature (or something like that). One essential step in the maturation process is to recognize that other people have different opinions and to allow them to think differently from you. That's what I think the real topic is.
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We accept other people's opinions - he just doesn't accept ours. As has been demonstrated repeatedly in his posts.
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This illustration by Alan Lee is an interpretation. It is not the actual book. He had to guess at some things in order to draw it. He had to pick from many scenes to illustrate but he chose this one because it had action. If I wanted to, I could search this and other paintings of his for details to quibble over. What would be the point? You could say, Alan Lee has only illustrated parts of the books. You could say that he only chose the highlights. You could argue that it gives a false representation of Tolkien. But nobody ever says any of this. Nobody shoots down the Hildebrandts or the animated RotK or the earlier movie. But there are a certain half dozen people here who circle in and rip apart anyone who dares to enjoy the current movies. I don't see why they don't just stick to the books forums.
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You choose not to see what is different because you like the painting.
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Just a quick glance at the painting and I see there is no hair on Sam's foot. If I were like the viscious attacker type people here I would make up stupid tortures for no other reason than that. Who ever heard of a hobbit with no hair on his foot. Maybe he shaved it. Maybe we should start a two year running joke about Sam shaving his foot. What's to explain? You like the painting so you don't see the hairless foot. And people who like the movies like Arwen. I never heard Arwen hatred until I came here.
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The same subjectivity that blinds us to the hairless foot also colors our perception of these arguments. It is only natural to believe our eyes, even when they are fooled.
On other threads I have pointed out that one particular poster here has set himself up as the spokesman for the people who wrote the screenplay. I have pointed out that he finds various ways to belittle and dehumanize those who disagree and invites attacks. I have also pointed out that in responding to him people have exagerated their statements about the movies. This can be seen as entertainment by the participants. When it ceases to be all in good fun and turns into vitriol, it drives other people away from here. He has never accepted my points that he belittles those he disagrees with, but a careful reading of the first post of this thread will show me to be correct.
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