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Although they do try to move away from the needle ... but there's nowhere to go ... Also, even in the case of capital punishment, here we TRY to carry out the death penalty humanely. In the case of abortions, the baby's brains are often sucked out, or lungs filled with acid. As for partial birth abortions, people who support them generally disgust me. In some ways, I can see the support of abortion by people who don't believe that the fetus is a person, though I think most believe that life begins before birth, even if they do not believe it begins at conception. |
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11-15-2002, 01:08 AM | #62 | |
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11-15-2002, 05:23 AM | #63 | |
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Obviously, you believe that personhood starts at or around conception. I think that you have to accept that most people actually don't agree with you, and that means that they don't think it's murder. Yeah, isn't it interesting that the people who are anti-abortion are often pro-capital punishment? Kill all abortionists with your hand guns! |
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11-15-2002, 05:51 AM | #64 | |
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11-15-2002, 07:46 AM | #65 |
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11-15-2002, 09:38 AM | #67 | |
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11-15-2002, 12:26 PM | #68 |
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I agree with you 100%, jersey devil. I've seen terminally ill people lose all dignity towards the end, and have informed my family that this is not how I want to go.
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11-15-2002, 07:21 PM | #69 | |
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This is one of the hardest ethical issues ever. I think it's terrible for people to have to suffer at their old age, but they are still human beings. I was about to say I believe that it's only God's right to end human life, but I can't say that because I support the death penalty. I just don't think life should be ended just because they are suffering. |
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11-15-2002, 08:09 PM | #70 |
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I am extremely pro choice.
I support the choice to abstain from sexual intercourse. I support the choice to use a condom. I support the choice to use a cervical cap . I support the choice to use a contraceptive sponge. I support the choice to use a diaphrahm I support the choice to use a hormone injection I support the choice to use a hormone implant I support the choice to use an intrauterine device I support the choice to use a spermicide I support the choice to undergo surgical sterilization I support the choice to prevent impregnation by any other means. But what I do not, will not, and cannot support is the choice to terminate a pregnancy which results because the parents weren't responsible enough to choose one of the above. Do you?
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No!! Thanks for joining the conversation Wayfarer. I can with this one!!
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11-15-2002, 10:50 PM | #73 |
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Let's think about that for a moment, shall we?
A woman is stupid* enough to get pregnant when she doesn't want a baby- but it's ok, we'll ease up on teh consequence by killing the baby. Does that make sense to you? A woman who doesn't want a baby has the recourse of a whole array of contraceptives. And yet she doesn't use them, and she gets pregnant. But, not willing to accept the consequences of her actions, she goes and kills the baby. Perhaps you'd understand it if I put it this way: I'm going to replace 'use contraceptives' with 'get an abortion', 'get pregnant' with 'give birth', and 'kill the baby' with 'kill the baby'. A woman who doesn't want a baby has the recourse of getting an abortion. And yet she doesn't have one, and she gives birth. But, not willing to accept the consequences of her actions, she goes and kills the baby. Do YOU agree with her decision? Forgive me, but I believe people should take responsibility for thier actions, even when they don't like the consequences . *Rape, etc, are special cases, I still don't support abortion, but I felt I need to clarify my use of the word 'stupid'.
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Read my earlier posts.........there are many occasions when a woman feels/has no choice other than abortion.
Do you (or others in this thread) disagree with this? I agree with that many cases of abortion should never arise...if you don't want to become pregnant there are many ways to prevent it.......but what if a person does not live in a country where contreception is not readily available? should they also be subject to the decision that abortion is wrong? |
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11-15-2002, 11:17 PM | #76 |
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Examine that last question:
What are the chances that a woman with access to clinical abortion wouldn't also have access to at least one method of contraception? And why oh why would a doctor who performs abortions not make every effort to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place? As to your assertion-There is always a choice. I agree with you that the prospects of life can be bleak... but I'd like you to consider: If killing the baby so that it doesn't have to live in those circumstances is ok, what do you think about killing the mother so she doesn't have to live in those circumstances?
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Kill a mother? Why would anyone wish to kill a perfectly healthy human being? |
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