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Hey A-E, I've never tried that.
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08-17-2002, 09:34 PM | #63 |
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Of course, Melian.
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I would agree to that assesment too, A-E. Of Melian..er.
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08-18-2002, 12:11 PM | #65 |
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sheesh,u guys are bigger spammers than i am!
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08-18-2002, 01:58 PM | #67 |
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hahaha.ur sig.says otherwise!
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08-18-2002, 06:43 PM | #69 |
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As has been said Christiana, we were on topic, which is more than I can say for you.
So, now that we've agreed that Melian was selfish, can we not apply that to Eol as well? I mean, his actions were that of a selfish git, rather than a wholly evil one.
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08-18-2002, 07:55 PM | #70 | |
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Actually I disagree..
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Eruviel Greenleaf and BeardofPants telling someone to stay on topic? I'm at a loss for words.
I've just finished this part of the book and from my impressions, Eol was pretty bad. Not fully bad, but maybe just lonely. Now maybe if I went back and read it again, I might see differently. I can understand where you're coming from with Melian, Mirahzi.
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Yeah, lookit for the flying pigs Khamul.
Good to see another one in the He's not wholly evil camp.
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Okay, so he's not wholly evil. But what virtues does he have? How is he at all good?
Oh, right (answering my own questions...) he did befriend the dwarves and was a skilled swordsmith. But other than that?
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08-19-2002, 01:27 AM | #74 |
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Well, he certainly loved Aredhel. That is undeniably a good thing.
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08-19-2002, 03:47 AM | #76 |
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I disagree. If she were truly his captive, then I doubt he would've let her roam as much as she did. Also, she bore him a son.
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She may have loved him, at least in the beginning, and so bore him a son. This does not imply that he loved her. The Sil uses the word 'desire', not 'love', to describe Eol's feelings. And even if she was allowed to wander, he commanded her to avoid the sunlight, and to stay away from her kin.
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I agree with Artanis--I don't think Eol actually loved her. Wanted her, yes. Loved her? No. Had he truly loved her I don't think he would have kept her captive the way he did, forbidding her to see her kin and avoiding sunlight (by the way...was there a reason for this? I don't really understand this command...). I don't think love was ever mentioned, especially on Eol's part. And I would even doubt that Aredhel actually loved him.
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Eol forbade Aredhel from seeing her kin, because he utterly hated the Noldor for the Kinslaying. I can't be sure about all this love stuff, but he (Eol) I think certianly had a lust for her, and I believe she cared for him, because when the guards of Gondolin captured him and told Turgon, Aredhel told them that he was indeed her husband and not to slay him. Also, when Eol defied Turgon's law and threw the spear striking Aredhel, he was to come before the kings judgement the next day, and it says that Aredhel and Idril moved Turgon to pity, and to be merciful to Eol. It wasn't until Aredhel sickened in the night and died that Turgon decided to have him killed.
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Right...I guess Aredhel did love him, or at least care about him. A little. I personally don't see why, but oh well that's not me...er...Anyway. Point being, Aredhel cared about Eol to some extent, but still Eol didn't seem to love Aredhel and merely wanted her. I don't have the book with me now, but as I recall he didn't seem to be all that remorseful when she was hit by the javelin. Of course, please tell me if I'm wrong!
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