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I stand corrected! After all, I wouldn't wanna face that infamous stick of yours
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SpamofFlame? Must be my cousin.
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08-23-2004, 01:01 PM | #67 |
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i thought the ring was made of gold mixed with saurons blood. The combo made some kind of hybrid-super evil gold.dont know where i heard that though.
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08-23-2004, 04:33 PM | #69 |
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Yeah it says something about him mixing his cruelty and malice in with it.
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But did he mix his cruelty and malice with the gold in the ring or with the spirit that dominated the ring. Its almost like he trappeda super powerful spirit inside the golden ring. Also if the gold was tainted thats not the golds fault. So originally the gold that created the rign was good then it wasa tainted by no faulkt of its own and then it became a ring and then the evil spirit was implanted in it. Also someone said Melkors presence was still in the gold. So you could argue that it is not the gold that is evil but the spirit that is dominating all gold. Its kind of sad how much I think this through.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The ring is not evil. The spirit embodying the ring and the spirit embodying the gold are evil but not the ring and not the gold. IT was just an innocent bystander who happened to be taken over. Poor little ringimudgit.
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I don't see how can a Ring have any personallity, though, or mind. I mean, it didn't have mind before Suaron messed up with it - so the mind was evil from the beginnig, from the first thought to the last. There was, IMO, no time for the Rign to develope a good personallity.
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First off what gave the ring time to be evil. In my scenario which is yet to be totally and utterly refuted. (jk) According to the others gold was tainted by Melkor. TO answer that. Yes that is true. But was the tainting in fact maybe part of the spirit of melkor. So the gold isnt evil the spirit embodying it was evil. Then Sauron makes it into a ring. No evilness there. and then he embodies the ring with his own evil. SO therefore the ring and the gold were embodied. Taken over by evil but they were not evil. (phew)
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I personally think that after Sauron's "cruelty and malice" were mixed with the Ring, they became so mixed with its original nature of gold, that the whole essence of the Ring (gold and "spirit") became one, evil being: the EVIL Ring.
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But i have thought of another question. Did he mix his cruelty withthe gold or did he mix his cruelty with the spirit embodying the ring. Ah.. Ah... yeah this is getting tough... I think he mixed it withthe spirit which would make more sense.
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The gold was tainted and therefore evil. The spirit that used the gold to create the Ring was evil. The place it was created in was evil. The spirit that went into the Ring was evil, and therefore, the Ring was evil.
Haradrim, why don't you make an argument that (how could the place it was created in be evil.) I mean it was just dirt, and a mountain of fire, a valcano.
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Time to play the "mental gymnastics" and "convoluted reasoning" cards, SGH.
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