![]() |
|
FAQ | Members List | Calendar |
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
![]() |
#61 | |||
Co-President of Entmoot
Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,397
|
Quote:
Besides, if a 16 year old votes for someone, that person will be in power until they are at least 20. Voting isn't just for the short term. I'm 21 and I still haven't voted in a provincial or federal election, which, needless to say, pisses me off to no end.
__________________
"I can add some more, if you'd like it. Calling your Chief Names, Wishing to Punch his Pimply Face, and Thinking you Shirriffs look a lot of Tom-fools." - Sam Gamgee, p. 340, Return of the King Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#62 |
Saviour of Entmoot Admiral
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.)
Posts: 61,986
|
You can also get a job at 14, 13, 12 and under. There are certain restrictions of course - like working hours, can't be left in charge of something until a certain age (16 I think), cant handle cash til certain age.
I don't believe that there is any law that says you have to be a certain age to work at all - and if there is, it probably varies state-by-state. But you could get many jobs at those ages - like a paper boy, work in family business, ETC. Certainly many stores won't want to hire you until you are a certain age like 15, 16, or 17 - but you could always get a job somewhere at 14 and under. Let 13 and 14 year olds vote? Anyone with a job pays taxes. 12 year olds?!!? That is just ridiculous and then why say "16 is a good age" (talking USA here) - because you can work much earlier. It makes no sense. Regardless of whether you have a job or not, when you hit 18 you can vote.
__________________
President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#63 | ||
Co-President of Entmoot
Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,397
|
It's not that I think you must have a job to vote, but if you are allowed to have a job (at 12, 16, or whatever), then you should also be allowed to vote.
And if that means 12 year olds can vote, then what's wrong with that? If a 12 year old doesn't care, then they won't excercise their right (though it's more like a priviledge I guess) to vote. Just likea 45 year old who doesn't care won't bother voting. Or in my case, someone who never lives at their permanent address.
__________________
"I can add some more, if you'd like it. Calling your Chief Names, Wishing to Punch his Pimply Face, and Thinking you Shirriffs look a lot of Tom-fools." - Sam Gamgee, p. 340, Return of the King Quote:
Quote:
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#64 |
Saviour of Entmoot Admiral
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.)
Posts: 61,986
|
Anyone can vote if they have a job regardless of age and then everyone at 18+ ? That makes no sense.
__________________
President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#65 |
Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ
Posts: 6,433
|
Hobbit, I'm not sure what you mean about kids not being allowed to handle money untill a certain age--I've had my own bank account since I was six, and I have a friend who had a checking account at seven.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#66 |
Quasi Evil
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 4,634
|
You need a work permit to work if you are under 16 in most states. Under 15 in others. The reason you need this is so that the state knows your parents or guardians are ok with the fact that you are working because they are supposed to be allowing you to balance your schooling succesfully with any employment. In this way no unscrupulous employers can screw you over work wise at the expense of your education. The other reason is because the vast majority of jobs taken by minors (like the ones you named) generally dont allow you to reach an income total that would require you to permenantly give up any wages in the form of taxes. You get it all back if you make under a certain minimum. Therefore the issue of taxation without representation doesnt apply to these teens. So yes 16/15 still makes sense if you take these factors into account.
__________________
"People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#67 | |
Saviour of Entmoot Admiral
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.)
Posts: 61,986
|
Quote:
No no, I meant at a job :P Like the cashier, etc. At 6, your bank account was in trust for you (if i have the correct term). You yourself could not put money in it or take money out - your parents had to do that :P. Not exactly sure at what age you can fully operate your bank account. *shrug* probably 17 or 18. ------------------ IR, what you brought up doesn't help your position. Most teens that work don't make enough to pay taxes. Probably a small minority of teens under 18 that work that much. So what is the point?
__________________
President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares! |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#68 | |
Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ
Posts: 6,433
|
Quote:
However, while a parent does have to be co-signed on the account untill the child's 18, they don't have to put the money in and take it out for the child. At least I've always been able to remove and put money in by myself. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#69 | |
The Intermittent One
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: here and there
Posts: 4,671
|
Quote:
IN THE UK you are a legal adult at 16 years of age. FULL STOP. therefore, the legal age for voting IN THE UK should be placed at 16 |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#70 | |
The Intermittent One
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: here and there
Posts: 4,671
|
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#71 |
Saviour of Entmoot Admiral
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.)
Posts: 61,986
|
LCoU - yes, you are talking about the UK - but we are talking about the USA :P
__________________
President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#72 | |
Lady Tipple & Queen of Blessed Thistle
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: I've been told it's all in my head
Posts: 916
|
Quote:
I had an account at the federal Credit union where I could deposite....but not withdraw unitl I was 18. Always more than happy to take our money, eh! I had a work permit @ 14y but I was in no way prepared to vote, I didn't know enough about anything outside of guitars/music/puberty to contribute anything meaningful (that might be beside the point...) I think 16 is a better age, a sort of compromise between 18 (plenty old enough) & 14 (too young).....at 16 you should be able to voice your opionion concerning the world you live in since you can legally live and work on your own (Oregon, USA). ![]()
__________________
Beer + Pizza = N'uff said ![]() Happy to be here The HACBR has been alerted to my postings…..Hobbits Against Constant Beer References Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Ben Franklin I want my Mooter T-Shirt! ![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#73 | |
Lady of Letters
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England
Posts: 2,476
|
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#74 |
Lady of Letters
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England
Posts: 2,476
|
Double post.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#75 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: In me taters
Posts: 3,288
|
Latest on this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...586644,00.html
Seems that if your story has been in the papers then you don't get to keep your vote. I wonder which constituency they will vote in? Could prompt some panicked gerrymandering. Last edited by The Gaffer : 10-07-2005 at 12:41 PM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#76 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,476
|
I feel all 'citizens' of this country have a right to vote unless you've committed a felony against our laws, then you lose that right.(which is law in most places) More importantly citizens have an 'obligation' to vote or forever cease to b**** about politicians, IMO
__________________
Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
What if you owned your own country...? | suncrafter | General Messages | 224 | 09-21-2007 08:49 PM |
Homosexual marriage | Rían | General Messages | 999 | 12-06-2006 04:46 PM |
Gays, lesbians, bisexuals | Nurvingiel | General Messages | 988 | 02-06-2006 01:33 PM |
One Ring Ownership Legal Issue and my Response | patentcad | Middle Earth | 7 | 03-29-2005 04:01 PM |