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All kennedy did? So perhaps using the UN for that purpose of trying to get the WORLD ON YOUR SIDE, was perhaps, a "use" for the apparently useless UN?
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Well thats wrong. Dont you think the massive mediating power the UN has, given that, well, thats what it is, a place countries can come to resolve issues, may have helped avoid open war?? Do think it was just luck that the Communists didn't start a shooting war before that moment? And don't go on about MUD, because it only takes one H bomb to wipe out NYC.
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Read a history of Australian federation. Just read one. It will make this next statement seem deja vous. In 1901, Australia, under close advice and help from London, draughted their Constitution, submitteded it the the King, and Wesminster, and then voted on it. The Brits even helped with the wording? I say again, America made Australian democracy? Come on?
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Australian Constitution?
Cuban Missile Crises? Al Qaeda have a bigger influence than I thought......... |
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Thats just JD changing the subject. For those at home who are keeping score: jersey devil is arguing that the UN have served no purpose, well, ever, and does nothing for the matinance of world peace. Because, apparently, sitting down and talking, never resolved anything... Oh, and that the US basically draughted the Australian Constitution, and the British had nothing to do with it. Nor did the Australians themselves, apparently. Up to speed?
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Can you hear yourself? All they did was allow us to prove the USSR were lying? All they did?? To me UN involvment, gaining the massive support of the free world during the crisis played a huge part in allowing US Blockades and alike to be seen as legal, and thus diffusing the closest the world has come to thermo nuclear war, is a good thing... And when did you ever say, before the above, what "active" role did they play? You said many times, dear fellow, that the UN played absolutly NO ROLE. Perhaps you should make up your mind, and stop altering your argument when you start to lose? If they are utterly useless, as you have said previously, why use them at all? What USE could they, the useless United Nations, have?
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hmmmmmm... not sure how the Australian Constitution and the UN discussion fall into the original purpose of this thread.... ...but... I see that JD had the last word on the influences of the American Constitution on the Australian Constitution. Fenir, don't scrap with JD over history ... he's a history addict.
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this is the UNs most important role, as a public forum for countries to express their views on any given world issue... i don't think this should be underestimated
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Valandil - I would say start a new thread in General. I have to say that Crossing has taken a lot of liberties with the actual Crossing. Just call it "Crossing of the Delaware" Oh and Fenir - we DO NOT need the UN to protect ourselves. If the US was in danger - we would have taken action against Cuba - without the UN. In actuality we did take action against them without the UN. There was no one else's ships besides OURS in the blockade. What has the UN done about the Middle East? About the Palestinians? Have they done ANYTHING - other than write things reports? What did they dfo about Bosnia? As for me changing the subject - I didn't change the subject - it's there for all to see that you said that we never peacefully had anything to do with country's forming new governments. You even refuse to acknowledge the role that America played in the modern government of Australia. I however never said that they were not influenced by anyone else. You however said that America played no role in Australia's Constitution - where I spelled it all out for you right there. You can be sacrcastic all you want.
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The principle of "Spreading democracy" might be a good one. The fact that the argument didn't really see the light of day until after all the others (in favour of war in Iraq) had been exposed as groundless is slightly suspicious.
Also, it seems that Bush believes that the UN has a role now in Iraq. Anyway, I am convinced that one of the things that the likes of Al-Qaida want is a perception, and, ideally, a perpetual state of conflict with the West. They need this to generate support and be able to merge into the general population. They have certainly achieved that now. The spread of democracy is like the struggle against terrorism in one way: both need genuine international co-operation in order to have any chance of succeeding. The UN may not be perfect but it's the only means we've got of getting that. |
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even the US knows this, or they would not have even attempted to get another resolution before the iraqi invasion sure, it's far from perfect... but i see no reason to just say "to hell with it, we could care less what the world thinks" i think any attempt to bring the peoples of the world together is a worthwhile one... we have nothing to lose, and the possibility of much to gain
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