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Here you go, Pytt:
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Don't you just love Rand's attittude with the Aes Sedai at the end? And they had it coming, too! |
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01-28-2005, 03:02 AM | #62 |
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I need to go to school But Rand was awesome. I really felt "oh, what now?" when they captured him. I say more about it after school.
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01-29-2005, 08:56 AM | #63 |
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Hi, just peeking in. Yes, he did act cool then, even I loved it and yes, they totally deserved it. The end of the book was stunning - That part about bow down or we will make you (or something like that)
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02-01-2005, 12:21 PM | #64 |
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Oie, they did indeed have it coming.
Snotty ol' wenches . I like any part with Cadsuane in it. She totally kicks Rand's arse--and boy does he start needing it... |
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02-01-2005, 04:33 PM | #66 |
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1. He's going insane.
2. He thinks he's got to save the world by himself. 3. He has no respect for anyone. 4. Since he's gained his Power he's lost all sense of tact and bullies everyone into doing what he wants. 5. He's acting like a stuck-up git! Cadsuane totally rocks |
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I thought Cadsuane was in book six. Meh, I'm not sure.
Either way, read faster . |
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I completely agree about the Aes Sedai having that coming. Rand is my favorite character in the books, the one I most enjoy reading about.
(continues his defense of Rand) Self-centeredness is the key character trait Robert Jordan develops in all his characters (who are almost all precisely the same, personality-wise). I don't find them actually all that different from the villains. The villains are just further along the same path. The good guys don't love with anything more then human love- there is no giving, no humility, no generosity in their thought processes at all. It's incredible how nasty everyone is to one another. I feel that Rand is actually doing some good disciplinary work when he twists them around his finger. It's not just the Aes Sedai. If half the characters in the series died in the next book, I wouldn't be sorry at all. I would just be a bit surprised, that's all. Rand actually has a rather noble objective- giving up his life for the world. He also has another noble objective- uniting the world so that it will be prepared for Tarmon Gaidon. If he bullies some bullies to get there, I forgive him. Quote:
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Thanks for covering Lief.
Interesting thoughts, can't wait till I'm finished! But there was a thing I wondered about. In book 7, Leane says she are going to Bryne's camp to meet a guy, she is in looking for a good warder. I began thinking about if all Aes Sedai threats there warders like lovers, or husbands. A little later, the whole thing of passing Lan's bond without getting his acceptance, and all that(don't remember the name of the Aes Sedai) But there it is stated that she married all of her warders. Do she have sexual inference with her warders, or does any Aes Sedai?
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I rather like the Forsaken. And that False Dragon...Logain... I don't know why, though.
Anyway, I think you may be right, Lief. But I've got little sympathy for Perrin myself... I think he started boring me several books back. *shrug* Meh. I've forgotten just about everything. I'll be leaving now.
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I still enjoy the books .
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i enjoy them too... he is a good writer... i just think he could use a dilligent editor these days to force him back to the point every so often
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Yes, he is a very good writer. I really like his books, but your point has made me thinking, Lief. There don't seem to be any truly goodhearted characters in his books. I have not got far enough to know about Perrin, but this far I think he is a good character. But what you writed changes that a bit. Loial is one of the true noble. And some of the Aiel could be. in their strange way.
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Possibly the reason I dislike Rand in general is because he's a Power Player .
I mean think about it. He's stabbed with an evil dagger, then hops out of bed as soon as he wakes up and runs off and actually manages to kill (if indirectly) one of the forsaken, and right as he's about to die (surprise, surprise...) some one shows up and saves him! Whoop-de-do. He's also SO powerful that he stills several Aes Sedai when he breaks their weave. I mean knocking them out or something, but STILLING them that easily? Rand has his authority because he's the biggest bully on the block, but Cadsuane has hers because she's lived for an unbelievable amount of time for an Aes Sedai who, we assume, is still bound to the Oath Rod, and because she's WORKED for her authority for years and years. Channelers with more strength than her hop to it when she's around. With Rand they just do every little thing they can to annoy him. In addition, I think that Cadsuane rocks because she has no fear of Male Channelers whatsoever. I mean the three other women have no fear because they love Rand, but with Cadsuane it has nothing to do with wanting to hop into Rand's bed. I do enjoy reading Rand's parts, and I enjoy most of the parts in the books, but I just don't like Rand's character. |
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i'm not a huge cadsuane fan... way too much shiftyness and scheming for my taste... rand's pretty straight up with people, and i can respect that
the one thing that probably bugs me the most is how you can't help but think that if the "good" people just relaxed for a moment and actually trusted one another they'd all figure out that they are in it together i think rand's a good guy deep down, just kinda sick of being mislead and told half-truths by everyone from moiraine to cadsuane
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