02-01-2004, 10:54 PM | #61 |
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i LOVE history!! i like the romans
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But still, much depends on your point of view. For some, trained archeologists are just the same as looters. Because once something is dug up, you can never redo the dig and all the contextual data is lost in reality, except on paper.
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02-02-2004, 04:19 PM | #63 |
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I'm taking Old history as a subject next year! Hurrah! Was looking bad for some time, but it's decided.
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It gives us more information, and those who think it is a bad thing are wrong.
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Archaeology is a complicated issue. It it something that even (when I reached) at a masters level, can not be viewed in simplistic terms. The nature of archaeology has changed drastically over the years - from mere looting and private collections, to moving out into the public sector. Even so, with all the advances, there is still argument within the field as to what constitutes 'good archaeology'. Do you restore?- and risk changing the natural decay of a site, or do you dig it all up and hope you can adequately document it, or do you wait until sufficient advances in the field have occurred before doing so? How do you know that some new technique isn't going to come along that would have better enabled you to understand a site, but now you can't re-excavate, because it is gone forever?.... Wish that it were that simple... !
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Yes, documentation is crucial in archaeology. Which can lead to all sorts of problems: the write-up being lead by a pet theory (rather than by the facts), and other various shortcomings of the author/archaeologist, certain levels of ethnocentrism, etc. A complicated business.
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02-02-2004, 07:44 PM | #68 | |
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The evidence won't be there forever either, so what is one to do?
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*opens door and runs*
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02-02-2004, 08:09 PM | #71 |
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Damned lowly first years. Seriously though, hope you have better luck with the field than I did.
Edit: I should add that I'm now doing GIS which I hope will enable me to help with information recovery.
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Thanks BoP. I'm sorry to hear things didn't go the way you wanted either.
As much as I love the subjects I'm doing I have no idea where to take them afterwards...so I'll just see what happens. Oh, and incidentally, I came across the Shipwrecked Sailor text the other day when I was looking for something else. I'd never seen it before then.
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02-13-2004, 11:06 AM | #73 |
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Not as ancient as some we've talked about, but one historical figure I never knew about until college (though I'm sure this is otherwise in the UK) was King Alfred the Great. I learned a little in a history class (Western Civilization) and then read his bio (by Asser, I think - a Welsh monk who came to his court)... and I was astonished! I'm surprised there is yet to be a major motion picture about him. Esp the one winter - was it 877-878 or so (?)... where the Danish armies pulled off a surprise invasion of Wessex at Christmastime - and he had to flee and conduct guerilla operations the next few months before he could regain control of his country (including the legend about the burning cakes). There were other 'great' things as well... the man had a MIND, could write, organized defenses, brokered peace deals, took explorers into his court, encouraged literacy, etc, etc.
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02-13-2004, 01:40 PM | #74 |
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Originally posted by Valandil
King Alfred the Great. I learned a little in a history class (Western Civilization) and then read his bio (by Asser, I think - a Welsh monk who came to his court)... and I was astonished! I'm surprised there is yet to be a major motion picture about him. __________________________________ There was a 1969 movie (cast including a young Michael York and Ian McKellan), in an interview somewhere I think York said they hoped it would be a better movie then it turned out to be, and you can see some care was put into it. One aspect of archaeology which I've always found somewhat disquieting is the digging up of graves. Periodicals like The National Geographic tend to dance around the issue or avoid it, but personally, I'd rather graves (no matter how old) were not disinterred, or , if done, respectfully reburied after artifacts had been studied. In the United States, I believe there are instances of Native Americans successfully having some return of such artifacts and some reinterments.
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Thats true, but I dont really think I'd mind if they dug up my grave in a few thousand years. I like to think that maybe someday I will be a relic that someone can learn something from (of course, I also think that it would be cool to be shot into the sun)
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02-16-2004, 04:27 PM | #76 |
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Alfred the Great - definitely well-named in my opinion. And an inspiration to bad cooks too - now there's a king I can relate to
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Are you aware that William the Conqueror was
a real bastard? Really! (Hey, if Bart Simpson can comment to his mother characterizing a dog as a b****, then why can't William be accurately described. Hmm?) And for a good book with chapters on William the Conqueror, Alfred the Great, Boadicea, King Arthur, The Sutton Hoo Man, Offa [of Dike fame],Athelstan, Eric Bloodaxe, and Ethelred the Unready [wonder how he got that moniker. get In Search Of The Dark Ages, by Michael Wood. Perhaps you've seen his great TV series In Search of The Trojan War.
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