06-03-2002, 12:57 AM | #61 |
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Bop thanks for the challenge I haven't had this much fun since the anti-theist thread.
You Jar Jar lovin, Christian, goddess of sheep of third rate wool
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But they chose to go with him and forsake Aman.
I would also agree that he was tainted, but I agree with BoP. He was too driven by his pride and his emotions, but he was not inherently evil. He held his sons to an oath they swore in front of the Valar. And what would have happened if he had released them from their oath?
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And Jar Jar rules. Later edit: Oh, and Christian?! *Scandalised look*
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Later edit: And you could almost argue that by keeping the oath instead of reneging, that he was biding by what little "good" was in him... BoP: Kicking Nubian a$$ since the event of flatulence.
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hey were swayed by his prodigious talents
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I don't know about that. That is really pushing it. I don't see the Valar or Eru punishing Him or the Noldar for repenting. That would be cruel. perhaps a pentence of some kind. But I think that would have been the greatest act of kindness I ME. If they had repented and were for forgiven. BUT still what GREATER evil would have arisen? Oh that was KICKING, I that was something else Quote:
We ARE starting to go in cirlces here. I stick to the repentence and feanor is an !@#$%^&*
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AAAARRRGGGGHHH!!! Theology has come run for your lives! OSSE directly served Morgoth and was forgiven. It seems that Tolkien considered pride to be the chief sin in his world. As for theology well that's always precarious ground for logic. I guess you would have formed the simarils into 3 great chairs and would have lead the sheep far afield.
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But repentence would have stop future pain and suffereing in all those First Age wars. I'm still failing to so see how repentence would have been worse.
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I just meant, why give Feanor the skills in the first place to enable such power? Some of it was free will granted, (if you believe that there is such thing as free will), BUT he was DESIGNED. His flaws are Eru's flaws. Quote:
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Feanor was not evil, he just had his faults, same as everyone else. He just let his faults cause a LOT of trouble. He's still not a 'villain.'
Again, what precisely would have happened if they had repented? First, both the Teleri and the Noldor would have died in vain. . .
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Maybe Eru knew what was going to happen all along and didn't stop it because that is just what is supposed to happen. Depressing thought, eh?
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Your black and white argument isn't working much either. So, according to you Feanor is an unredeamable @$$#$$?
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What is it with them dying in vain.
If someone is murdered and you repent what does that have to do with someone dying in vain. I don't follow the logic here. If you did a bad deed how is continuing along that path justifying anything. So if Anakin repented his slaying of the sand people how does that make the death in vain? Its better for him to continue down the path to the dark side? Quote:
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The point is that regardless of whether he repented the oath or not, the damage was done, and the "seeds of mistrust sown." Quote:
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