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Old 01-13-2003, 09:11 PM   #1
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Who first uses Quenya rather than Sindarin in LOTR ?

( Hope that's not too easy or obscure....) [/B]
Don't forget this question! Since I wouldn't know one from the other, I'll pass. There was that meeting with Gildor, but I have no ideas what kind of elvish he spoke??? Frodo was the elf friend, Sam knew some stuff he learned from bilbo. Someone!
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Old 01-13-2003, 11:27 PM   #2
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I'm pretty sure it was Gildor's elves. Frodo mentioned they were "High elves," wouldn't they speak Quenya rather than Sindarian? I know they mentioned Elbereth, something Grey elves wouldn't normally do. It was either them or Frodo, because,
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"Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting," he added in the high-elven speech."

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Old 01-14-2003, 08:05 PM   #3
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So if you say "Elbereth", it's Quenya, which is the language of the high elves? Hmmmm, That word gets used alot! I say Frodo.
Yes...... he tells Sam, "These are High Elves! They spoke the name of Elbereth!"

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Old 01-15-2003, 11:04 PM   #4
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So if you say "Elbereth", it's Quenya, which is the language of the high elves? Hmmmm, That word gets used alot! I say Frodo.
Yes...... he tells Sam, "These are High Elves! They spoke the name of Elbereth!"

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I think that's right...but wouldn't the elves still have had to sing their song first for Frodo to comment on it? So I still think it's the elves. But I am pretty sure the Elbereth-being-Quenya thing is right.
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Yes, you're right. I thought the song was written in the common tongue (most of it is), but they do say Gilthoniel! O Elbereth twice! We shall have to wait for Melkor's significant othe(r???)
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Old 01-16-2003, 06:16 AM   #6
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In the plot of the book it's Gildor's Elves, but in the diction of the book it's Frodo. Either way you're correct, as Elbereth is High (Quenya) Eldarin.

Now someone else's turn to ask.....
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Old 01-16-2003, 07:35 AM   #7
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Well! Thanks for clearing that up Mso, (cough, cough)....Renille, why don't you (and Radagast is up too) ask us a question.
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Tokien says in The Letters that the song is in Sindarin. (Just to muddle things up a litte more.)
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Well, one things for sure....I have no idea! I know elvish as well as I know Martian.
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Old 01-16-2003, 09:32 AM   #10
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Oh damn, now I'm not so sure. Elbereth is also known as Varda in Aman - is this Valinorean - ie.Quenya ? Does anyone know someone on the moot who is a lanuguages guru - I'm not !
The answer I wanted though, was the one posted - at the meeting of Frodo,Sam & Pippin with Gildor's Elves....So come on somebody - ask a question......(Only from FOTR )
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Old 01-16-2003, 06:08 PM   #11
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I think I'm supposed to be asking a question...so here it goes...

How long did Gandalf take to decide which direction to go in while the company was stuck in Moria?
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Old 01-16-2003, 06:18 PM   #12
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maybeeeeeeeeee, 3 days

i truely dont know!
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I think I'm supposed to be asking a question...so here it goes...

How long did Gandalf take to decide which direction to go in while the company was stuck in Moria?
It was one night, they camped in the guardroom, Gandalf couldn't sleep and relieved Pippin from watch and he stayed there for 6 hours while the others slept, then he got them up and chose the direction...
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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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wow you are very smart! and i said 3 days so i was pretty far off!
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Old 01-16-2003, 06:26 PM   #15
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That was a very hard question Renille!
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true very true what you said arcala!
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So where is Renille to confirm my correctness
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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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This is the hardest part of the Trivia games! The patient waiting. I hope you don't ask, "Who refers to Nindalf?"!
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This is the hardest part of the Trivia games! The patient waiting. I hope you don't ask, "Who refers to Nindalf?"!
Hmmmm, maybe I will now, MUAHAHAHA!!

Nah, I already know what I am gonna ask, I've just been waiting to get another one right so I could ask it
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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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Old 01-17-2003, 10:23 AM   #20
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c'mon, it's an easy question... (who refers to Nindalf?)
I hope I get one right soon...
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