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05-29-2005, 05:14 PM | #61 |
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It is possible, though I always thouht of him as a Black Numenorean.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
05-29-2005, 05:18 PM | #62 |
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Actually isn't it STRANGE that Sauron left 7 of the nazgul live in Minas Morgul? He could have used one as lieutenant of BaradDur, another a lieutenant of Morannon, a third in charge of Cirith Ungol, a fourth in command of Nurn region... you get the picture. But no. Cirith Ungol fortress was even given to an ORC! Why?
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05-29-2005, 05:25 PM | #63 |
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keep all the rats in one trap?
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05-31-2005, 04:46 AM | #64 | |
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But why then he trusted Khamul? |
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05-31-2005, 05:34 AM | #65 | |
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05-31-2005, 08:36 AM | #66 | |
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and maybe, when sauron went into the east for hundreds of years, khamul was already worshipping sauron as a god out there wehn he was still human, and so that would make khamul the most trustable of all the nazgul, but sauron had to let 'tar-ciryatan' ( ) be the chief because he had the greater powers? |
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05-31-2005, 04:40 PM | #67 | ||
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But if you believe that the nazgul were cheating Sauron and were not too eager to get the Ring, than Khamul was in it as well as the WK! |
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05-31-2005, 04:42 PM | #68 | |
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05-31-2005, 04:57 PM | #69 |
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keep your friends close, your enemies closer, and your enemies pretending to be your friends closest,
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06-09-2005, 09:55 AM | #70 | |
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06-09-2005, 10:52 AM | #71 | |
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I already had my POW about strangeness of the attacks on Lothlorien. Now I have a thought that probably all this attacks was ochestrated by Nazgul with the elve's agreement and without Sauron's direct management. Last edited by Olmer : 04-08-2006 at 12:49 PM. |
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06-09-2005, 05:16 PM | #72 | |
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So Khamul could still help the WK in the Shire against Sauron. |
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06-09-2005, 05:19 PM | #73 | ||
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I believe the nazgul were not so subtle as the former Galadriel's admirer, they just hated the Elves's guts! I think, Sauron started to increase Dol Guldur contingent as he learned that the Ring came to Lorien, in January 3019. Then later, when he started to suspect that Lorien was not the Ring's final destination, he decided to use these lazy orcs for something useful. At least to ensure that no elves would come to help Gondor (as if it were remotely possible ). And he still was not 100% sure that the Ring was not in Lorien, after all! |
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06-24-2005, 08:00 AM | #74 | |
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06-25-2005, 04:54 PM | #75 |
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Because he thinks Galadriel is in league with Sauron.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
06-30-2005, 02:32 PM | #76 |
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Does he really ?
How could that be? Galadriel could take the ring from Frodo and give it to Sau. But she didn't. So how could they be in league? Where is Olmer BTW, does anyone know? |
04-06-2006, 07:40 PM | #77 |
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*Bump*
This thread is dear to my heart , so I would be happy to hear some new opinions on the matter discussed. |
04-06-2006, 11:00 PM | #78 |
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I think the Nazgul were without their rings during the third age, or at least not wearing them. Despite their lack of power, I am cofindent that either Gollum or Bilbo would have had some sort of mental contact with the Nazgul, had they been wearing the one/nine rings at the same time. Look how rapidly Frodo comes into contact with Sauron when Frodo puts on the ring. If the Nazgul had been bearing their rings, the hobbit ring bearers would had somesort of nasty nightmare contact with them.
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04-07-2006, 02:09 AM | #79 |
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Au contraire, I would argue that the Nazgul did have their rings. Sauron gave them the rings, and that's how he had his hold on them. It was through the rings that they had their lingering existence. We saw that the Ring granted unnatural long life. So did the Nine. That's a sign, I think, that they had their rings.
Without them, they wouldn't even be able to live, I think. Notice what happened to them when the power of the One was broken: they perished. This was because the breaking of the One diminished or destroyed the power of the other rings, as shown by the fading of the Elven rings. To counter your point regarding the perceptions by Gollum and Bilbo of the wraiths...Frodo did make actual contact with them. Had Sauron been awakened, he would have been able to make contact with Gollum and Bilbo when they put on the ring. As it was, however, he was only starting to take shape in Mirkwood. He could not sense the ring. So in conclusion, I believe that Sauron kept them in thrall by means of the Nine Rings, which they wore throughout the Third Age.
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Also, even Sauron was not always immediately aware of somone putting on the Ring (Sam in Mordor). And, by that time, Sauron had 9 nazgul rings + 3 dwarven rings. As for the ringless nazgul, they reacted to someone putting on the Ring only in PJ's movie. Aragorn was afraid that someone (the Southerner, or Ferny) will TELL the nazgul about Frodo' disappearance at the Pony. So, they themselves felt nothing. Quote:
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