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1) a system that helps everyone who really needs it, but some uneedy take advantage of 2) a system that is extremely hard to take advantage of but, as a result, leaves many of the needy wanting
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02-03-2005, 01:56 PM | #62 | |
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you could still get any drug you wanted anywhere in the US at the height of the drug war, but you had to pay three times as much... and where does an addict get this kind of money? usually crime less people polled in the 80s reported using drugs... but given the stigma at the time, that is not surprising
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02-03-2005, 02:17 PM | #65 | |
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02-03-2005, 03:26 PM | #66 | |
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As for your second choose you wrote - I ignored your little "leaves many of the needy wanting" add on - because just because something is difficult to get - doesn't mean that the there woudl be MANY needy left wanting. You get things in relation to how much effort you put in.
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02-08-2005, 07:43 AM | #67 | |
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I'm tired of the leading countries bashing upon each other, but it's hard to ignore France’s need to put us in the "Jethro" category every time they "FEEL" threatened (like the fact we produce great wines, good beer, awesome cheeses, tasty breads, beat them figure skating quite a bit, OH and in a word --LANCE ARMSTRONG...LOL.....of course I think we antagonize them as well. Over here in the states whenever we start getting a bit Viva La France they somehow manage to make some snide remark that builds bad feelings again. Perception Perception Perception... They remind me of the Older sister that REFUSES to acknowledge we have something worth saying or doing WITHOUT their “much needed” approval. (we’d be the snotty little brother to them of course) RANT RANT RANT...LOL I'd like our country to have better relations with them...but I'm not exactly hopeful. We'd have to have a different President that liked to smooch with everyone instead of "Cowboy Up - Bush" (who seems to think big and resent anyone who doesn't). AnyHoo, since I'm ALL for the US but I'm too smart think imaginary boundaries make us anything other than Earthlings I'll keep mooting with the everyone from everywhere until "someone" figures out how to get everyone playing nice in the sandbox (and keep Murdering Thugs from peeing in it...did I say that?)
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I'm not sure which cases you're refering to. Anyway, people will benefit from risks whether or not poor people get money from the government (mostly to help them find jobs on their own). And they still have to work, even if they get some support.
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02-08-2005, 01:18 PM | #72 | ||
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As for people still working - even if they get support - that isn't always true. It's a requirement in NJ that people must be looking for a job, or going to school. I think for welfare - it should be a requirement that you do public servicve work so many hours a day - unless you are seriously disabled and just can not work. But I feel anyone living off the government who can work - should be put to work in the public sector - even if it's picking trash off the side of the road or cleaning up parks (I would prefer that it would be something a bit more educational though). Quote:
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02-08-2005, 01:40 PM | #73 | |
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i don't like handouts either, and i think that people should work for what they get... but if the best 40-hour a week job they can hope to get is not enough to consistantly put food on their table and provide education and basic healthcare for themselves and their children... i think it is in society's best interest to make up for the difference... even if some take advantage of the system in the USA 12.5% (about 36 million) of 3-person families in 2003 made under 15k a year... do you truely believe they are just all lazy?
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the main point is that most people that receive benefit truly need it, and the few that don't, at least in this country, get caught eventually, and they are then required to pay back to the state any opayments they received erroneously. the media is creating a moral panic with their claims that this many people do this, and that many people do that, the rates of benefit-cheats are not as high as people make out.
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as a result, people cheat their way below the threshold until they can make quite a bit more... and they get use to cheating... a more staggered system would be much more effective
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as a nice topic to bump with:
Japan has decided that princess Aiko(i think that's her name ) will succede prince Taruhito, and so the emperor after the next emperor will be an empress for the first time in over 200 years |
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