12-21-2006, 06:18 PM | #61 |
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exactly.
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12-21-2006, 06:31 PM | #62 | |
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If Bush lied, his lie must be considered a tad worse than Clinton's even though Bush was never under oath.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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12-21-2006, 08:02 PM | #64 | |
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1) The US Congress, both the Democrats and the Republicans, looked at the same intelligence that the Administration had and came to the same conclusions, based on it. 2) Multiple other countries also thought, based on the reports from their own intelligence services, that Saddam was developing WMDs. They believed that intelligence strongly enough to go to war, based on it. 3) Sarin and certain nerve agents were found in Iraq, along with missiles Iraq was forbidden by a UN resolution (and of a type they claimed they had none of), which were capable of reaching nearby countries. He was certainly developing illegal chemical weapons, though we haven't found them in anywhere near the quantity that was expected. We may or may not have found all the chemicals and rockets he had.
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So, that's lying in my book. Worse, in many ways, because now we see them trying to avoid the blame by saying "you voted for it". Quote:
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The experts in the intelligence agencies are long term employees. They got to the positions they did through developing a reputation for honesty and skill at their jobs. Pretty much the most that can be done against them in retaliation for their honesty is for their bosses to withhold them promotions or pay raises. They couldn't be fired for noncompliance. Congress is briefed by the Head of the Intelligence Agency, but they also are briefed individually by the experts in the field. Not just by their bosses. This is especially true in the Intelligence Committees and especially the inner groups of the Intelligence Committees. They, key people from both parties, can order meetings with whomever they wish in the intelligence business and have access to just about all the same information the President has. My source for all this is my Dad, who works with high level security clearance in the Aerospace Corporation. They manage our GPS system, and so are responsible for giving satellite data to the Airforce; my Dad regularly briefs high ranking generals in the military. In my Dad's opinion, misleading Congress would have been very hard to do, because you'd have to push around not just a few bosses but a whole organization, and also you'd have to get around the Intelligence Committees and their leaders from both parties. Quote:
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The selective intelligence reporting and tampering that you're talking about took in the intelligence services of at least 48 different countries (that's how many we have in the coalition).
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12-22-2006, 08:52 PM | #68 |
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Would you please give me the quote from the book that backs your claim? Along with the citation for the interview or other source that Woodard is using?
You can't expect me to spend my Christmas vacation reading through a whole book just to find out whether or not you're right on one point. It's your job to support your claims, not mine .
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12-22-2006, 09:42 PM | #69 |
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Enlighten me guys ..what has this lot to do with entmoot?
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12-22-2006, 10:10 PM | #70 |
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Its debate!
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Put it on your "books I might read in the next year" list. On supporting my claims, I learned a long time ago that for some, opinions don't change no matter how much evidence one provides. All I can really hope is that you might read it and maybe consider the possibility of a different course of events than the one you are championing.
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12-23-2006, 11:14 PM | #72 |
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Thanks for the book recommendation.
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12-28-2006, 09:35 AM | #73 |
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How about this one:
4. Conscription is the price a society pays for its freedom. Therefore all young men should be forced to go to war to serve that freedom. OR The freedom of a society is based solely on the freedom of its citizens. Therefore, the act of forcing a societies citizens to fight against their will is to abandon that freedom, and thus negate that society's claim to civilization. Carry on cats and kittens. This is going well....
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What, are we your playthings, for you dangle catnip in front of us, and watch us fight over it?
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Which is a representative democracy.
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I do think that democracy is the least bad form of government. It definitely can be improved upon.
For the USA, I think having only two parties causes further problems with the democratic process.
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The larger problem (regardless of the number of parties present) is when the politicians work together to give the public the short end of the stick.
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So, any time you feel like moving to Canada, you just send us that application eh?
We have the Liberals and the Conservatives, of fairly equal strength, with the remainder of the Parliment divided between the Bloc Quebecois and the NDP. The Green Party has been gaining in support, but they have yet to win any seats. I think the rise in the popularity of the Green Party is one reason the Liberals and the Conservatives have improved their environmental policies.
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2: Takeing things way to far, and getting lissened too for some reson, if christains did this we'd get hounded. 3: Eh, I've been trying to think of a government that does not alow the maddness of the one nor the maddness of the many... Till we come up with a better idea we're just going to sit around and think... And vote if we're 18 or over And no, I chilled naturaly. This is denmark based?
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