dwarf women - Page 4

ragamuffin92 · 01-17-2002, 11:06 AM

Gotta run, so I'll have to give you the long answer later, but a ragamuffin is a name for a person who has nothing.

bropous · 01-17-2002, 11:51 AM

Well, I've read the comments and, advice unheeded is advice discarded [even Captain Stern's comments taken to heart]. Getting into who-did-what-to-whom-first ain't getting anyone of us anywhere, and ain't what the board is about. It's about Tolkien, and I'll keep that in mind. Ignore function enabled. A self-imposed "time out" up in the mountains is probably also a good idea. Fresh air, newly fallen snow, ice-enrobed waterfalls are all wonderfully rejuvenative to good will and general being a good guy.

As for dwarf beards and childbirth, the mental images are just really yukky.

Okay, so here's another angle: Aule created the seven Dwarf Lords, but they were put to sleep and distributed to "divers" locales to await the awakening of the Firstborn. ZO, "where the dwarf women at?" How did these Seven Dwarf fathers become fathers if no mention [as far as I can find so far {oooo, great qualification of inquiry}] is made of the creation of the dwarf women? Is this anywhere made more clear than the issue of where Cain's wife came from?

Again, thanks for the advice, no matter what stance one took.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-17-2002, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ragamuffin92
Gotta run, so I'll have to give you the long answer later, but a ragamuffin is a name for a person who has nothing.

My mom use to say that that was what we looked like after we had been outside playing all day. Doesn't it refer to a child that has nothing, especially in the way of clothes. They are rags. a very poor child perhaps orphaned?

ragamuffin92 · 01-17-2002, 12:09 PM

EXACTLY, Sister Golden Hair.

bropous · 01-17-2002, 12:20 PM

A had also thought that too, SisterGoldenHair and ragamuffin92, that a "raggamuffin" was a gutter-snipe without any possessions. [no offense, ragamuffin92 *wink!*].

Now try to define a "bropous"...... and it ain't a dwarf woman's beard! LOL!

Vardasoroniel · 01-17-2002, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Michael Martinez
. . . provided a citation from an abandoned text, which was superseded by a text which deliberately omitted all reference to Dwarves being bearded from birth.

on the question of dwarves, not only are femaels rarely mentioned, but so also are any references to young children, or for that matter to any sort of family unit.(is there?)

also, if their beards are not associated with the changes of puberty and the advance into adulthood, i see no reason why facial hair could not be one of the characteristics of dwarven babies.

ragamuffin92 · 01-17-2002, 12:52 PM

No offense taken, and, it's accurate, in a way. I got the name from my favorite Christian singer/songwriter of the past 10 years, the late Rich Mullins. He called his back-up musicians "a ragamuffin band," (lower case letters intentional), since EVERYONE is a ragamuffin in God's eyes. I know you are an atheist, so I'll leave it at that.

ragamuffin92 · 01-17-2002, 12:55 PM

Dwarves were supposedly so reclusive and secretive, they had a LOT of secrets.

afro-elf · 01-17-2002, 12:55 PM

Thanks for the Ragamuffin info.

As far as the meaning of bropous:

of ebonic derivation

1) a black porpoise

2) black purpose

bropous · 01-17-2002, 01:25 PM

LOL, afro-elf, a black sheep, maybe but not a black porpoise!

luinilwen · 01-17-2002, 06:47 PM

anyone who's got a copy of the silmarillion can figure out what my name means

bropous isn't in the french dictionary. however, afro-elf, considering it IS a french name, the 's' is silent. so if we were to go along your train of thought it would be more like "black poo" and that's just silly (also doesn't sound too healthy)

sorry black doody *tsk tsk*

sorry if i offend anyone who is anti-doody (does any country other then america even use that term?) or anyone with a brain

that is all.

afro-elf · 01-17-2002, 06:56 PM

I actually considered the Francophone version but I declinced.

I have traveled a lot and I think that the words, boo boo, ka ka, dookie, poo poo and do do seem to be a part of the human langauge genome.

Similarly, bum, bom bom, bomba etc seems to also be encoded the same way.

bropous · 01-17-2002, 08:59 PM

Okay, okay:

"bro" = shortened version of "brother"

"pous" = pronounced "poo" = it's a secret.

Michael Martinez · 01-17-2002, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vardasoroniel
on the question of dwarves, not only are femaels rarely mentioned, but so also are any references to young children, or for that matter to any sort of family unit.(is there?)

If there is one thing that is fairly well documented, it's the family history of the Kings of Durin's Folk for the last 1000 years of the Third Age.

Quote:

also, if their beards are not associated with the changes of puberty and the advance into adulthood, i see no reason why facial hair could not be one of the characteristics of dwarven babies.

Tolkien abandoned the idea.

01-17-2002, 11:06 AM	#61
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	To AfroElf Gotta run, so I'll have to give you the long answer later, but a ragamuffin is a name for a person who has nothing. __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-17-2002, 11:51 AM	#62
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Well, I've read the comments and, advice unheeded is advice discarded [even Captain Stern's comments taken to heart]. Getting into who-did-what-to-whom-first ain't getting anyone of us anywhere, and ain't what the board is about. It's about Tolkien, and I'll keep that in mind. Ignore function enabled. A self-imposed "time out" up in the mountains is probably also a good idea. Fresh air, newly fallen snow, ice-enrobed waterfalls are all wonderfully rejuvenative to good will and general being a good guy. As for dwarf beards and childbirth, the mental images are just really yukky. Okay, so here's another angle: Aule created the seven Dwarf Lords, but they were put to sleep and distributed to "divers" locales to await the awakening of the Firstborn. ZO, "where the dwarf women at?" How did these Seven Dwarf fathers become fathers if no mention [as far as I can find so far {oooo, great qualification of inquiry}] is made of the creation of the dwarf women? Is this anywhere made more clear than the issue of where Cain's wife came from? Again, thanks for the advice, no matter what stance one took. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-17-2002, 12:09 PM	#64
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	EXACTLY, Sister Golden Hair. __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-17-2002, 12:20 PM	#65
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	A had also thought that too, SisterGoldenHair and ragamuffin92, that a "raggamuffin" was a gutter-snipe without any possessions. [no offense, ragamuffin92 wink!]. Now try to define a "bropous"...... and it ain't a dwarf woman's beard! LOL! __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-17-2002, 12:52 PM	#67
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	To bropous No offense taken, and, it's accurate, in a way. I got the name from my favorite Christian singer/songwriter of the past 10 years, the late Rich Mullins. He called his back-up musicians "a ragamuffin band," (lower case letters intentional), since EVERYONE is a ragamuffin in God's eyes. I know you are an atheist, so I'll leave it at that. __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-17-2002, 12:55 PM	#68
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	To Vardasoroniel Dwarves were supposedly so reclusive and secretive, they had a LOT of secrets. __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-17-2002, 12:55 PM	#69
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Thanks for the Ragamuffin info. As far as the meaning of bropous: of ebonic derivation 1) a black porpoise 2) black purpose __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-17-2002, 01:25 PM	#70
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	LOL, afro-elf, a black sheep, maybe but not a black porpoise! __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-17-2002, 06:47 PM	#71
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	anyone who's got a copy of the silmarillion can figure out what my name means bropous isn't in the french dictionary. however, afro-elf, considering it IS a french name, the 's' is silent. so if we were to go along your train of thought it would be more like "black poo" and that's just silly (also doesn't sound too healthy) sorry black doody tsk tsk sorry if i offend anyone who is anti-doody (does any country other then america even use that term?) or anyone with a brain that is all.

01-17-2002, 06:56 PM	#72
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	I actually considered the Francophone version but I declinced. I have traveled a lot and I think that the words, boo boo, ka ka, dookie, poo poo and do do seem to be a part of the human langauge genome. Similarly, bum, bom bom, bomba etc seems to also be encoded the same way. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-17-2002, 08:59 PM	#73
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Okay, okay: "bro" = shortened version of "brother" "pous" = pronounced "poo" = it's a secret. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

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