Grammar, Punctuation, Spelling, etc. - Page 4

Artanis · 10-30-2002, 03:58 PM

Which? Spelling and grammar, or spaces?

None of them is of course of real importance. What's important is the thoughts behind the written words. But to someone who takes an interest in it, and is clever at such things, the 'form' of a sentence may enhance the expression of a thought, or just enhance the visual beauty of it.

***RÃan*** · 10-30-2002, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Treebeard's apprentice
No, you didn't offend me. Perhaps my phraseology was solecistic (I love the Thesaurus). I actually intended to say something more like what you just said. I don't look down on people, but it does irritate me when friends use words incorrectly. Of course, it probably bugs them even more when I correct them.

Good, I'm glad we're ok

BTW, since I know you have "Letters of JRR Tolkien", have you come to the letter where he discusses "silver" vs. "argent"? Really a nice discussion about the nuances of words that have similar meanings.

***RÃan*** · 10-30-2002, 08:12 PM

*sees Artanis' post, now tries to remember the letter that discusses how JRRT is strongly affected by the visual part of words/sentences*

Treebeard's apprentice · 10-31-2002, 12:23 AM

No, I don't believe I've read that one yet. As of right now (10/30/02 10:23 PM) I am on #132, just after the 10,000 word (!) letter to Milton Waldman. Now you've gotten me curious, though.

jerseydevil · 10-31-2002, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Hasty Ent
My biggest peeve is when people say "I could care less" when they mean "I COULD NOT care less."

I see your point - but I think the standard is "I could care less". That is the way I have always heard it. I was going to argue with you - but after looking at it logically - I see the point. I will however probably continue to say "I could care less".

Quote:

As for myself, I'm always looking up the difference between affect and effect.

Affect - the result
Effect - that which causes the result

Treebeard's apprentice · 10-31-2002, 01:55 AM

What bothers me most is when people say 'Could you borrow me a dollar?' (mentioned in one of my previous posts). A close second would be when someone says 'Me and Joe are going to the store.'

It's Joe and I! Joe and I! Joe and I! Joe and I! JOE AND I! JOE AND I! JOEANDI! JOEANDIJOEANDIJOEANDIJOEANDIJOEANDIJOEMUSTDIE!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!

*looks around dazedly, panting heavily*

I'm gonna go to sleep now. G'night!

***RÃan*** · 10-31-2002, 03:13 AM

Yes, my best friend always makes that mistake, and she KNOWS she makes it, and she CAN'T STOP herself before it's too late! (she always looks at me funny, like "oh, shoot!") But she knows I love her anyway!! BTW, she always says it the other way around - "Ron and me went to the store", not "me and Ron", which is at least a little more correct.

Hey, you know what I think is even WORSE? When you use "me" correctly, because it's a direct object, not a subject, and people look at you funny!

ex - Would you like to play tennis with Joe and me?

I just usually give in and say "Joe and I". *silly pride

*

And one thing I do on Entmoot, while "talking", is start sentences with "And", which I would never do in an essay. Again, I think it's just a little more like friends chatting. I hope it doesn't bug you all to death!

Grey_Wolf · 10-31-2002, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grey_Wolf
I've noticed sometimes that commas are rarely used in English books.

The man, who had a green jacket and a red shirt with blue spots and orange stripes and black trousers on and had a dog on a leash and was walking in the park during a summer evening with his wife and children.

COMMANISTS OF THE WORLD - UNITE

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 10-31-2002, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Grey_Wolf
COMMANISTS OF THE WORLD - UNITE

You know, no one is more comma happy than I am, but in the example you use, there are a ton of "ands", and is a word that is used to take the place of a comma. If you use a sentence listing something then a comma would appear after each list word until the very end of the list where and would be used between the next to the last and the last word which ends the list. Example: Joe went to the store. He bought milk, bread, coffee and tea.

Grey_Wolf · 10-31-2002, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
You know, no one is more comma happy than I am, but in the example you use, there are a ton of "ands", and is a word that is used to take the place of a comma. If you use a sentence listing something then a comma would appear after each list word until the very end of the list where and would be used between the next to the last and the last word which ends the list. Example: Joe went to the store. He bought milk, bread, coffee and tea.

I know. It was really meant as a kind of joke sentence.

Starr Polish · 10-31-2002, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RÃ*an

Hey, you know what I think is even WORSE? When you use "me" correctly, because it's a direct object, not a subject, and people look at you funny!

ex - Would you like to play tennis with Joe and me?

I just usually give in and say "Joe and I". *silly pride *

We're doing this rightn now in English III. Objective case, nominative case. It's easy though, because you shouldn't say "Would you like to play tennis with Joe and I", because you wouldn't say "Would you like to play tennis with I."

***RÃan*** · 10-31-2002, 06:29 PM

I know, it's really very easy, but I still get funny looks from people who have had "JOE AND I!" pounded into them w/o someone explaining that WHERE IT IS in the sentence determines if it's correct or not.

samwiselvr2008 · 11-01-2002, 09:56 PM

This is SO unfair! Since I was the one that caused the whole thing in the other thread to start (and no, I do not ceer that you opend this one, thus pointing your finger at me, everyone knows that I am a bad speller already, go ahead and add my name to the first topic post thing, I don't ceer), I just want to say Sorry.

Sorry that my first and sencond grade teachers didn't teach me to spell correctly. Sorry that at the private school that I went to ABC's, spelling, and reading, were not tought utill 1st grade. Sorry that at private schools you can not get free tuders. Sorry that my 3rd grade teacher did not reqest a spelling tuder for me. Sorry that she yelled and did not help. Sorry that my 4th grade teacher's ideas did not help. Sorry that my fith grade teacher just gave me a whole bunch of boring "improve your spelling" workshets that just made me mad and ceer less about spelling. Sorry that in middle school there are no spelling tests. Sorry that I tried every possable way, and it did not help. Sory.

Lizra · 11-01-2002, 10:52 PM

I'm using this thread to talk about the joy of writing Samwislvr! (how do you pronounce that?) Not ridicule others. I don't care for deliberate mistakes out of laziness, but any other attempt to communicate is cool. I can work with it! I see writing as an opportunity for creative expression, and use the tools of grammer, spelling, punctuation, word selection, etc, to create my "canvas". We all know that some might have a natural knack, while others might have a little more trouble, just like art, or music. I'm sure nobody is singling (I just had to look that up!) you out. I always thought you had dsylexia or something, like Sween (I had to look that up too!

). I'll confess right now to cheating on spelling tests. I remember when Mrs. Bassnight caught me in second grade, humiliating! But I continued. Now I use a dictionary. Your posts are much better! Do NOT take this thread personally! I really don't think you can teach spelling, I might be wrong, but it appears to be a memory thing. Though I have no problems with reversals, or dslylexia, my daughter has many problems like this. It was a real eye-opener for me the year I home schooled her. All I can say is the brain is very complicated, and it doesn't work the same way in all of us! I think your posts are doing quite well now!

Aeryn · 11-01-2002, 10:59 PM

Well Lizra, you have an interesting way of er........

Seeing things?

***RÃan*** · 11-01-2002, 11:19 PM

Geez, samwiselvr2008, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad time with spelling in school

English spelling is SO hard - my husband lived in Ecuador when he was little - they don't even have spelling classes there, because they don't need to! Everything makes sense, because it's totally by sound! But English is such a mix of other languages, it's not by sound at all (or to be more exact, it is by sound rules from many different languages, but you may not know which language a word comes from!!)

I'm a very visual person, so spelling comes easily to me (if I'm not sure how a word is spelled, I'll write it out and see if it "looks" right). But I hope you've seen my posts (and other people's, too)where we say that content of a post is important, not the spelling! I like your posts, and please don't stop.

BTW, when I say in this thread that "something really bugs me", it is NOT AT ALL the PERSON that I am bugged at, it just happens to "catch my eye" (like an out-of-tune note would "catch the ear" of a musical person) and bug me. So what if you can't spell well! Do your best to improve, but don't feel bad about it! I would rather be with a kind and intelligent person who is a bad speller, than some self-righteous, insensitive git who thinks their mission in life is to correct people's spelling and can't even see that they are rude and arrogant, which is MUCH worse than being a bad speller. (that last sentence is NOT aimed at anyone on this thread - please don't think I mean you guys).

BTW, I've been assuming that your name means "Samwise Lover" - is that right? (I don't know what the 2008 means, though

)

Lizra · 11-01-2002, 11:23 PM

"Samwise lover"? OHHHHH!

Got the kids in bed Rian! Yea! It's so nice!

***RÃan*** · 11-01-2002, 11:35 PM

HeeHee! you SO understand, Lizra!

Actually, they're watching a video - it's only 7:30 here. ("OK, kids, put on another one!")

What the heck - it's Friday night!

Lizra · 11-01-2002, 11:45 PM

Wow! It's ten till eleven here! I think I'll go double-dose the cough syrup and see if I can have some fun.

***RÃan*** · 11-01-2002, 11:47 PM

I prefer Nyquil, myself

10-30-2002, 03:58 PM	#61
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with FÃ«anor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Which? Spelling and grammar, or spaces? None of them is of course of real importance. What's important is the thoughts behind the written words. But to someone who takes an interest in it, and is clever at such things, the 'form' of a sentence may enhance the expression of a thought, or just enhance the visual beauty of it. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

10-30-2002, 08:12 PM	#63
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	sees Artanis' post, now tries to remember the letter that discusses how JRRT is strongly affected by the visual part of words/sentences __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-31-2002, 01:55 AM	#66
Treebeard's apprentice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wherever I may roam Posts: 207	What bothers me most is when people say 'Could you borrow me a dollar?' (mentioned in one of my previous posts). A close second would be when someone says 'Me and Joe are going to the store.' It's Joe and I! Joe and I! Joe and I! Joe and I! JOE AND I! JOE AND I! JOEANDI! JOEANDIJOEANDIJOEANDIJOEANDIJOEANDIJOEMUSTDIE!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!! looks around dazedly, panting heavily I'm gonna go to sleep now. G'night! Last edited by Treebeard's apprentice : 10-31-2002 at 01:56 AM.

10-31-2002, 03:13 AM	#67
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Yes, my best friend always makes that mistake, and she KNOWS she makes it, and she CAN'T STOP herself before it's too late! (she always looks at me funny, like "oh, shoot!") But she knows I love her anyway!! BTW, she always says it the other way around - "Ron and me went to the store", not "me and Ron", which is at least a little more correct. Hey, you know what I think is even WORSE? When you use "me" correctly, because it's a direct object, not a subject, and people look at you funny! ex - Would you like to play tennis with Joe and me? I just usually give in and say "Joe and I". silly pride And one thing I do on Entmoot, while "talking", is start sentences with "And", which I would never do in an essay. Again, I think it's just a little more like friends chatting. I hope it doesn't bug you all to death! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-31-2002, 06:29 PM	#72
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	I know, it's really very easy, but I still get funny looks from people who have had "JOE AND I!" pounded into them w/o someone explaining that WHERE IT IS in the sentence determines if it's correct or not. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-31-2002, 12:23 AM	#64
Treebeard's apprentice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wherever I may roam Posts: 207	No, I don't believe I've read that one yet. As of right now (10/30/02 10:23 PM) I am on #132, just after the 10,000 word (!) letter to Milton Waldman. Now you've gotten me curious, though.

11-01-2002, 09:56 PM	#73
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	This is SO unfair! Since I was the one that caused the whole thing in the other thread to start (and no, I do not ceer that you opend this one, thus pointing your finger at me, everyone knows that I am a bad speller already, go ahead and add my name to the first topic post thing, I don't ceer), I just want to say Sorry. Sorry that my first and sencond grade teachers didn't teach me to spell correctly. Sorry that at the private school that I went to ABC's, spelling, and reading, were not tought utill 1st grade. Sorry that at private schools you can not get free tuders. Sorry that my 3rd grade teacher did not reqest a spelling tuder for me. Sorry that she yelled and did not help. Sorry that my 4th grade teacher's ideas did not help. Sorry that my fith grade teacher just gave me a whole bunch of boring "improve your spelling" workshets that just made me mad and ceer less about spelling. Sorry that in middle school there are no spelling tests. Sorry that I tried every possable way, and it did not help. Sory. __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

11-01-2002, 10:52 PM	#74
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	I'm using this thread to talk about the joy of writing Samwislvr! (how do you pronounce that?) Not ridicule others. I don't care for deliberate mistakes out of laziness, but any other attempt to communicate is cool. I can work with it! I see writing as an opportunity for creative expression, and use the tools of grammer, spelling, punctuation, word selection, etc, to create my "canvas". We all know that some might have a natural knack, while others might have a little more trouble, just like art, or music. I'm sure nobody is singling (I just had to look that up!) you out. I always thought you had dsylexia or something, like Sween (I had to look that up too! ). I'll confess right now to cheating on spelling tests. I remember when Mrs. Bassnight caught me in second grade, humiliating! But I continued. Now I use a dictionary. Your posts are much better! Do NOT take this thread personally! I really don't think you can teach spelling, I might be wrong, but it appears to be a memory thing. Though I have no problems with reversals, or dslylexia, my daughter has many problems like this. It was a real eye-opener for me the year I home schooled her. All I can say is the brain is very complicated, and it doesn't work the same way in all of us! I think your posts are doing quite well now! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats! Last edited by Lizra : 11-01-2002 at 11:24 PM.

11-01-2002, 10:59 PM	#75
Aeryn Bank'ress of Sith Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a hot-hot place, heh Posts: 913	Well Lizra, you have an interesting way of er........ Seeing things? __________________ my new account name feigndeath. This one is deactivated, I think.

11-01-2002, 11:19 PM	#76
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Geez, samwiselvr2008, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad time with spelling in school English spelling is SO hard - my husband lived in Ecuador when he was little - they don't even have spelling classes there, because they don't need to! Everything makes sense, because it's totally by sound! But English is such a mix of other languages, it's not by sound at all (or to be more exact, it is by sound rules from many different languages, but you may not know which language a word comes from!!) I'm a very visual person, so spelling comes easily to me (if I'm not sure how a word is spelled, I'll write it out and see if it "looks" right). But I hope you've seen my posts (and other people's, too)where we say that content of a post is important, not the spelling! I like your posts, and please don't stop. BTW, when I say in this thread that "something really bugs me", it is NOT AT ALL the PERSON that I am bugged at, it just happens to "catch my eye" (like an out-of-tune note would "catch the ear" of a musical person) and bug me. So what if you can't spell well! Do your best to improve, but don't feel bad about it! I would rather be with a kind and intelligent person who is a bad speller, than some self-righteous, insensitive git who thinks their mission in life is to correct people's spelling and can't even see that they are rude and arrogant, which is MUCH worse than being a bad speller. (that last sentence is NOT aimed at anyone on this thread - please don't think I mean you guys). BTW, I've been assuming that your name means "Samwise Lover" - is that right? (I don't know what the 2008 means, though ) __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

11-01-2002, 11:23 PM	#77
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	"Samwise lover"? OHHHHH! Got the kids in bed Rian! Yea! It's so nice! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats! Last edited by Lizra : 11-01-2002 at 11:26 PM.

11-01-2002, 11:35 PM	#78
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	HeeHee! you SO understand, Lizra! Actually, they're watching a video - it's only 7:30 here. ("OK, kids, put on another one!") What the heck - it's Friday night! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

11-01-2002, 11:45 PM	#79
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Wow! It's ten till eleven here! I think I'll go double-dose the cough syrup and see if I can have some fun. __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

11-01-2002, 11:47 PM	#80
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	I prefer Nyquil, myself __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

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