Aragorn's Fall...any changes of opinion out there? - Page 4

Elfhelm · 01-25-2003, 01:10 AM

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and when they thought that boromir was dead they lost ground that they could have gained with the Uruks in order to send him off as properly as they could. Legolas and Gimli would have been more likely to throw them selves off of the clif in search of him than to just leave, EVEN WITH the looks that they gave Theoden.

Exactly! No way would the real L & G have abandoned Strider.

Black Breathalizer · 01-25-2003, 02:31 PM

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No way would the real L & G have abandoned Strider.

For the hundreth time, they didn't abandon Aragorn--they justifiably thought he was DEAD! The real Aragorn, Frodo, and the rest of the Fellowship cared deeply for Gandalf too but nobody talked about them abandoning their wizard friend when Tolkien had him fall in Moria.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2003, 02:48 PM

And they KNEW Boromir was dead; but they spent time giving him a burial; time which, as was previously stated, could have been spent chasing the Uruks. Gandalf disappeared into a nearly bottomless pit; not much hope of recovering his body. Aragorn, they could have gone along the river; they could have certainly spent a lot of time looking for him, and it's not like they were the only defenders of Edoras, like they were the only hunters of the Uruks. While I like Tubby's movies (as a whole), Aragorn's fall is one of the silly, pointless parts, IMHO. IT was just an emulation of Gandalf's fall.

And when you say open her heart, don't you mean sold her soul? (Of course, that's if she really had become a Jacksonite, which she thankfully hasn't

)

Black Breathalizer · 01-25-2003, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
And they KNEW Boromir was dead; but they spent time giving him a burial; time which, as was previously stated, could have been spent chasing the Uruks.

Um...then you must have REALLY hated Tolkien's version then Gwaimir because the author had the three hunters singing a song for their departed friend before chasing the Uruks too.

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Gandalf disappeared into a nearly bottomless pit; not much hope of recovering his body. Aragorn, they could have gone along the river; they could have certainly spent a lot of time looking for him

Gee, now THAT would have made a wonderfully entertaining movie scene:

Legolas: My elf eyes do not spy him over here. What about on your side of the river?

Gimli: Not a trace of him over here.

Legolas: Shall we try up river?

Gimli: I suppose. We sure didn't find anything down river.

The exciting search continues...

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2003, 03:16 PM

I did not say I hated it: My point is that their previous behavior and their current behavior match poorly. And I already that about them singing

BeardofPants · 01-25-2003, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
The exciting search continues...

Or they could have just cut out the extraneous, unnecessary, moronic, useless death scene.

Lizra · 01-25-2003, 03:24 PM

Which death scene! Surely not ...."My brother, My Captain, My King!" That was so good!!!! My BCK line was one of my favorites! oooh!

Cirdan · 01-25-2003, 03:37 PM

The scene is just more filler and not very well executed. Oh, Aragon's probably dead. No point in walking ten feet to look over and see. I just yawned through the whole Arwen/ghorse kissing bit. The film lags so much I could barely pay attention through the second viewing. Is that the same soundtrack from the first film? All PJs fanfic add-ins are amateurish and poorly executed. The least attention to detail is paid to the script. I can't remember the last time I got sleepy during a battle scene but Helm's Deep is just lugubrious, ponderous, and poorly paced. PJ is a hack as shown by his credits. It seemed as though the scene selections durin the last hour were edited together by a chimp. That was fun. I hope BB's head exploded.

Black Breathalizer · 01-25-2003, 03:56 PM

Hey, Cirdan. If you and Ms. Pants want to engage a person of my illustrious statue and awe-inspiring intellect in a genuine LOTR debate, you'll have to do better than your tiresome "Jackson's movies suck" routine.

Cirdan · 01-25-2003, 04:02 PM

Sorry I don't debated deluded idiots.

Coney · 01-25-2003, 04:12 PM

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Hey, Cirdan. If you and Ms. Pants want to engage a person of my illustrious statue

They're making statues of BB now?..............you don't wear shorts and have an alergy to razor blades do you?

Cirdan · 01-25-2003, 04:14 PM

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They're making statues of BB now?..............you don't wear shorts and have an alergy to razor blades do you?

Is that a giant pidgeon I see coming? It looks sick!

BeardofPants · 01-25-2003, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Hey, Cirdan. If you and Ms. Pants want to engage a person of my illustrious statue and awe-inspiring intellect in a genuine LOTR debate, you'll have to do better than your tiresome "Jackson's movies suck" routine.

Yeah, and you might want to put aside your delusions of grandeur, and your erroneous verbage ridden scenarios if you want to come up to our level.

LuthienTinuviel · 01-25-2003, 11:59 PM

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And when you say open her heart, don't you mean sold her soul?

huh?

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....the three hunters singing a song for their departed friend before chasing the Uruks too.

spending more time on someone that they knew was dead, beacuse of the friendship, instead of leaving him for carrion.

oh, but thanks for helping our side of the arguement

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The exciting search continues...

im with BoP on that one.

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I hope BB's head exploded

mee too!

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you don't wear shorts and have an alergy to razor blades do you?

Coney, have i told you that i loved you lateley? that combined with this:

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Is that a giant pidgeon I see coming? It looks sick!

...made my week!

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you'll have to do better than your tiresome "Jackson's movies suck" routine.

and you, child will have to do better than your "i am PJ's poppet, obey OBEY!" routine, because that is getting redunant as well.

ahh i am going to repeat myself, just because i like this line:

i love the movies, but i hate you BB.

Cirdan · 01-26-2003, 12:48 AM

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i love the movies, but i hate you BB.

heh heh... My sentiments exactly. Funny the giant intellect didn't get that my post was tongue-in-cheek intended to irritate him.

Black Breathalizer · 01-26-2003, 09:06 AM

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Funny the giant intellect didn't get that my post was tongue-in-cheek intended to irritate him.

This post makes it clear that my obvious tongue-in-cheek reply went over your head. From now on, I'll use more smiley faces and winks just for you, Cirdan. See---->

I've also got a novel idea...let's get back to talking about the THREAD TOPIC!!!!

squinteyedsoutherner · 01-26-2003, 11:39 AM

The death scene is very stupid. I agree 100% with your previous post Cirdan, the last hour of the film was very weak.

Gandalf's fall was brilliant writing. He falls down into the mountain (earth) fighting the Balrog (fire) lands in the lake (water) climbs the stairs to the mountain top (air) and then defeats the Balrog. Tolkien has Gandalf move through the four basic elements of the ancient world. After his return he is literally changed in both appearance and substance.

Aragorn is dragged off a cliff by a warg, is saved by a wandering horse that has no reason to be there (and inexplicably bears the name of the second king of Rohan?) and then returns without any noticeable change in character.

Yes, yes I know Breathalizer; it's even better than Tolkien.

Black Breathalizer · 01-26-2003, 01:32 PM

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Aragorn is...saved by a wandering horse that has no reason to be there

Hmmmm...let's think about this statement of yours: A horse is seen in the land of...the horse lords. A riderless horse is hanging out in an area where...there's been battles with orcs and many Rohan soldiers have been killed.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-26-2003, 01:46 PM

squinty, I don't think that Tolkien used those 4 elements: I thought he used Fire, Air, and Water.

LuthienTinuviel · 01-26-2003, 02:01 PM

well their IN the earth, so would suspect that that one was there as well.

and i always thought the horse would have been theodred's?
*ducks from flying objects*

01-25-2003, 02:48 PM	#63
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	And they KNEW Boromir was dead; but they spent time giving him a burial; time which, as was previously stated, could have been spent chasing the Uruks. Gandalf disappeared into a nearly bottomless pit; not much hope of recovering his body. Aragorn, they could have gone along the river; they could have certainly spent a lot of time looking for him, and it's not like they were the only defenders of Edoras, like they were the only hunters of the Uruks. While I like Tubby's movies (as a whole), Aragorn's fall is one of the silly, pointless parts, IMHO. IT was just an emulation of Gandalf's fall. And when you say open her heart, don't you mean sold her soul? (Of course, that's if she really had become a Jacksonite, which she thankfully hasn't ) __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-25-2003, 03:16 PM	#65
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I did not say I hated it: My point is that their previous behavior and their current behavior match poorly. And I already that about them singing __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-25-2003, 03:24 PM	#67
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Which death scene! Surely not ...."My brother, My Captain, My King!" That was so good!!!! My BCK line was one of my favorites! oooh! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

01-25-2003, 03:37 PM	#68
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	The scene is just more filler and not very well executed. Oh, Aragon's probably dead. No point in walking ten feet to look over and see. I just yawned through the whole Arwen/ghorse kissing bit. The film lags so much I could barely pay attention through the second viewing. Is that the same soundtrack from the first film? All PJs fanfic add-ins are amateurish and poorly executed. The least attention to detail is paid to the script. I can't remember the last time I got sleepy during a battle scene but Helm's Deep is just lugubrious, ponderous, and poorly paced. PJ is a hack as shown by his credits. It seemed as though the scene selections durin the last hour were edited together by a chimp. That was fun. I hope BB's head exploded. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

01-25-2003, 04:02 PM	#70
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	Sorry I don't debated deluded idiots. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

01-25-2003, 03:56 PM	#69
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	Hey, Cirdan. If you and Ms. Pants want to engage a person of my illustrious statue and awe-inspiring intellect in a genuine LOTR debate, you'll have to do better than your tiresome "Jackson's movies suck" routine.

01-26-2003, 11:39 AM	#77
squinteyedsoutherner Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 198	The death scene is very stupid. I agree 100% with your previous post Cirdan, the last hour of the film was very weak. Gandalf's fall was brilliant writing. He falls down into the mountain (earth) fighting the Balrog (fire) lands in the lake (water) climbs the stairs to the mountain top (air) and then defeats the Balrog. Tolkien has Gandalf move through the four basic elements of the ancient world. After his return he is literally changed in both appearance and substance. Aragorn is dragged off a cliff by a warg, is saved by a wandering horse that has no reason to be there (and inexplicably bears the name of the second king of Rohan?) and then returns without any noticeable change in character. Yes, yes I know Breathalizer; it's even better than Tolkien. Last edited by squinteyedsoutherner : 01-26-2003 at 11:53 AM.

01-26-2003, 01:46 PM	#79
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	squinty, I don't think that Tolkien used those 4 elements: I thought he used Fire, Air, and Water. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-26-2003, 02:01 PM	#80
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	well their IN the earth, so would suspect that that one was there as well. and i always thought the horse would have been theodred's? ducks from flying objects __________________ Last edited by LuthienTinuviel : 01-26-2003 at 03:20 PM.

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