The Irony of Jackson Bashing

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by thranduil
I don't even know why i'm trying to defend TT. I was just trying to defend Faramir because I disagree about the names you have placed on him. TT is my least favorite and I find many of these things annoying myself but I look past it. How frodo journeys from Osgiliath without problem eludes me. He does have a very good guide, they do have there cloaks, and the enemy isn't looking directly for them, are my guesses.

But none of that is shown. All Frodo's trip is a series of disjointed scenes.

[hectorberlioz]

hmmm.....
nah, my other looked more official...(avatar ya know)
k, well. TTT has major probs.
personnally, i think that getting somewhere in these discussions is impossible. you either like the films or not, or both. thats how it is; and some people just cant help it if they hate a movie which skewered a classic they are in love with.
like me.
I seem to be repeating myself...

[thranduil]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
hmmm.....
nah, my other looked more official...(avatar ya know)

Yes I did like your old one better. But alls good.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by thranduil
YOu might find this insulting but it looks like pippins face when he is burping after eating lembas.

My argument with the Lembas scene was that it was even in the script at all - let alone actually filmed. Then he had the nerve to actually put it into the extended edition. Jackson got it right the first time - it DESERVED to be on the cutting room floor.

As it turned out it is just one example of many things that shows what kind of hack jackson is though.

[edit]Thranduil - you edited out your post as I was quoting. You obvioulsy already saved your change by the time the post window came up since the quote does not contain the line where you say I shouldn't be concerned by the Lembas scene because it's in the extended edition,

[hectorberlioz]

thranduil and i have straightned things out.
flame was removed.

[thranduil]

I said nothing about that. Look at it, you have to agree that it looks like what I mentioned. Can you not see it? Look!

Sorry off subject, Will post when I have new meaningful insights.

[hectorberlioz]

edited by Hector

[thranduil]

Originally posted by jerseydevil

[edit]Thranduil - you edited out your quote as I was quoting. You obvioulsy already saved your change by the time the post window came up - since the quote does not contain the line where you say I shouldn't be concerned by the Lembas scene because it's in the extended edition,

Sorry about that. Your right, I realized the argument too late. So I took that part out to avoid the pippin burping scene discussion. I'm sorry I wasn't quick enough.

[thranduil]

Sincerest apologies, I thought It might be hitting below the belt.

[hectorberlioz]

hey thranduil, you might want to turn your pm inbox on
eh?
really though, if you dont remove your insult. I'll have to use my

secret mod undercover(j/k) powers.

^old news

[hectorberlioz]

Ok, but do turn your pm inbox on please.

Sincerest apologies, I thought It might be hitting below the belt.

[thranduil]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
hey thranduil, you might want to turn your pm inbox on
eh?
really though, if you dont remove your insult. I'll have to use my

I haven't the slightest clue what this means.

[hectorberlioz]

it means:

I am a Moderator(someone who takes care of stuff at entmoot, and punishes those who need discipline) and I was jokingof course...

and by the way.
I have not changed my avatar because of your insult. it is because i preferred it anyway.

[thranduil]

FOTR really doesn't deserve to be hated and bashed. And I highly doubt it is a "hack" job. A hollywood flick done so Jackson could make a quick buck. NO. Amazingly the movie is so well done that many people who have read the books prefer the movie. The casting was terrific along with the scenery and sets. But it doesn't stop there. PJ made this even better (movie)by making it a little more exciting. Even with the action I hardly stayed focused on the movie in the theaters, but imagine without the excitement Jackson put in, it kept me entertained. This movie is no hack job. So the conspiracy was left out, thats minor, we didn't need too much of the shire. Tom Bombadil would have been a scene you bashers would have ripped a part if he had been in the movie. Think how silly it would be, it would never work from text to screen. So xena I mean arwen replaces Glorfindel, come on you can't say you really liked Glorfindel that much anyways. Yes she stoll Frodos line, that sucks. overall the movies deserve less bashing and more constructive criticism. After all most of your complaints have been discussed numerous times.

[hectorberlioz]

NO. Amazingly the movie is so well done that many people who have read the books prefer the movie. The casting was terrific along with the scenery and sets.

well. those people who preferred the movies to the books obviously were false LotR fans, and who foound lotr too hard a read for them.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by thranduil
FOTR really doesn't deserve to be hated and bashed. And I highly doubt it is a "hack" job. A hollywood flick done so Jackson could make a quick buck. NO. Amazingly the movie is so well done that many people who have read the books prefer the movie. The casting was terrific along with the scenery and sets. But it doesn't stop there. PJ made this even better (movie)by making it a little more exciting. Even with the action I hardly stayed focused on the movie in the theaters, but imagine without the excitement Jackson put in, it kept me entertained. This movie is no hack job. So the conspiracy was left out, thats minor, we didn't need too much of the shire. Tom Bombadil would have been a scene you bashers would have ripped a part if he had been in the movie. Think how silly it would be, it would never work from text to screen. So xena I mean arwen replaces Glorfindel, come on you can't say you really liked Glorfindel that much anyways. Yes she stoll Frodos line, that sucks. overall the movies deserve less bashing and more constructive criticism. After all most of your complaints have been discussed numerous times.

No - it DOES deserve the criticism. Too much of the heart of Lord of the Rings was left out. As for Bombadil and Glorfindel - I have always said the should be left out from a theatrical version. Both are minor that have no true bearing on the movie.

The Shire however is a BIG part - as is the friendship with the hobbits. Bakshi got it right in his movie - when Merry tells Frodo how he may not be able to trust them to let him sneak off on his own into danger - but he can trust them to stick by him through the darkest hours. THAT WAS what was important in FotR - not the Wizards duel, nor the stair falling apart, not the stupid Troll. FotR in my opinion is far worse than TT - mainly because FotR was supposed to show the innocense of the hobbits - not the stupidity of Merry and Pippin the way it does. FotR was not supposed to be an action flick.

[hectorberlioz]

FotR in my opinion is far worse than TT - mainly because FotR was supposed to show the innocense of the hobbits - not the stupidity of Merry and Pippin the way it does.

which just shows that Jackson is a false lotr fan. as those people who prefer the movies are...

[thranduil]

Originally posted by jerseydevil

The Shire however is a BIG part - as is the friendship with the hobbits.

I guess you were not satisfied with the screen time given to the Shire. It got the most screen time of any other scenes. I was pleased with how the shire looked and the feeling of all the hobbits and talking in the green dragon. It did make them feel innocent in a way. And Bilbo talking to Frodo at his Party was another example of showing frodo's innocence. Merry does nothing moronic except the "Tent". The rest of the movie he is great.

But TT isn't better than FOTR. You complain about the 4 minute troll scene in Moria look at your TT with Helms Deep, gimme a break. They could have named the movie Helms Deep. Like you said in your other posts Frodo journeys isn't followed well and its jumpy. I really wasn't satisfied with the ents like I thought I would. But don't get me wrong my point isn't TT is bad, but FOTR exceeds TT greatly.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by thranduil
I guess you were not satisfied with the screen time given to the Shire. It got the most screen time of any other scenes. I was pleased with how the shire looked and the feeling of all the hobbits and talking in the green dragon. It did make them feel innocent in a way. And Bilbo talking to Frodo at his Party was another example of showing frodo's innocence. Merry does nothing moronic except the "Tent". The rest of the movie he is great.

The travel from the shire was mostly a series of action scenes - as I said. Veyr little character development. The shire is not just the party. I was also referring to Buckland - which is also part of the Shire. I say pippin and merry are stupid the rest of the movie - look at the stupdi council of Elrond "duh, where we going again?"

But TT isn't better than FOTR. You complain about the 4 minute troll scene in Moria look at your TT with Helms Deep, gimme a break. They could have named the movie Helms Deep. Like you said in your other posts Frodo journeys isn't followed well and its jumpy. I really wasn't satisfied with the ents like I thought I would. But don't get me wrong my point isn't TT is bad, but FOTR exceeds TT greatly.

The only reason I think TT isn't as bad as FotR is because I expected the crap job after seeing the lame excuse for a movie Jackson gave us with FotR. YOu may like FotR - maybe you should read the book and then watch the movie - does it give you the same feeling? No - in FotR it's all action too. Frodo is RUNNING from Hobbiton - contrary to what Gandalf tells him - which is DO NOT just disappear. You may think these are small things - but this is what give FotR it's feel and it's soul.

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Ruinel
BB, and all forms of BB...

[Edited by Azalea -- please don't flame] making such a comment...