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07-18-2004, 07:48 AM | #61 |
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Thanks, Valandil, but I don't understand!! When I checked my post earlier today the picture was not there and now it is!! It's like magic!!
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07-18-2004, 08:06 AM | #62 |
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Oh!! I just read my PM's and discovered it was not magic that made my image appear, but some clever manipulation by Khamul.
Thanks Khamul!!
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07-18-2004, 08:20 AM | #63 | |
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So then, can't other 'earth spirits' exist, or is Tom the most significant since he is Eldest? And good job, Elanor and thanks Khamul. |
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07-18-2004, 08:31 AM | #64 | |
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Re: The Lord of the Rings Discussion : Chpts 7 and 8
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I also like to think that Tolkien put it in to add some 'lighter moments' to the book's contents. One of the reasons I enjoy LotR so much is that despite the element of grimness and misery that permeates much of the book, there are still a number of moments of joy and light-heartedness. |
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07-18-2004, 08:57 AM | #65 | |
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Actually, I'm posting this against my own councel, for though I too have my theories about who Tom is, I do think he serves the story and the atmosphere in the book best if he is left as an enigma.
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07-19-2004, 01:58 AM | #66 | |||
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I'm baaaaack - thanks for the nice weekend wishes, it was fabulous! (see happy thread)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá Ă«?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Ăž Ă° Ăź ® ç ĂĄ ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lĂłmĂ«! AurĂ« entuluva! Last edited by RĂan : 07-19-2004 at 02:04 AM. |
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07-19-2004, 02:01 AM | #67 | |
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Re: Re: The Lord of the Rings Discussion : Chpts 7 and 8
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá Ă«?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Ăž Ă° Ăź ® ç ĂĄ ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lĂłmĂ«! AurĂ« entuluva! |
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07-19-2004, 02:06 AM | #68 | ||
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá Ă«?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Ăž Ă° Ăź ® ç ĂĄ ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lĂłmĂ«! AurĂ« entuluva! |
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07-19-2004, 07:14 AM | #69 | ||
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07-19-2004, 04:55 PM | #70 | |
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EDIT: I'm glad you're enjoying Paradise Lost, RĂ*an. Isn't it just the greatest book ever? (Even though that's off topic, but what's your favorite moment in the book so far?) Last edited by Beren3000 : 07-19-2004 at 04:57 PM. |
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07-20-2004, 11:35 AM | #71 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá Ă«?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Ăž Ă° Ăź ® ç ĂĄ ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lĂłmĂ«! AurĂ« entuluva! |
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07-20-2004, 12:21 PM | #72 | |
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one of my favorite quotes: "the mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n."
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07-20-2004, 06:09 PM | #73 |
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Your quote comes from my favourite part in the book, brownjenkins! It's that part where Satan envies the humans for Paradise and regrets his Fall. I LOVE that part!
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07-20-2004, 07:17 PM | #74 | |
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I have that part underlined, brownie! Great stuff.
Speaking of the regret aspect, how 'bout this bit when Satan is about to address the waiting "fellows of his crime" : Quote:
Anyway, to swing it back to LOTR, that deception is certainly seen in OMW and the wighties. Also, as is seen in Paradise Lost, the anger at humans, and insatiable desire (Tom talks about how the thoughts of the trees are often "filled with a hatred of things that go free upon the earth" and how OMW has a "gray thirsty spirit", and in the song of the wights, "the cold was cursing the warmth for which it hungered." That's another of the "characteristics in common" that I see in the baddies of LOTR.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá Ă«?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Ăž Ă° Ăź ® ç ĂĄ ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lĂłmĂ«! AurĂ« entuluva! |
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07-21-2004, 11:07 PM | #75 | |||
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But maybe Tom is Ayule and Goldberry is Yavanna... *runs away again*
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07-23-2004, 07:40 AM | #76 | |
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My appreciation of Tom Bombadil and his fair lady Goldberry is quite recent. (perhaps because it didn't feature in the movie) I remember I didn't like the part in Tom Bombadil's house much in the beginning and did skip it once or twice when rereading LoTR. Now I quite enjoy it, perhaps because I can picture them now better.
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About the dreams, it's quite interesting that Sam apparantly didn't dream and woke that first night. Would that be of significance? I quite like that sentence in the book: "As far as he could remember, Sam slept through the night in deep content, if logs are contented." To me it's one of these 'the Hobbit'-like glimpses that get rarer and rarer as the book progresses and that show that Tolkien was in the beginning writing a sequal to the Hobbit in the same style. In the chapter 'Fog on the Barrowdowns' there's something that puzzles me. When they try to leave the Barrowdowns in the first evening Frodo comes to two huge standing stones, like a gate. Only he sees them because he has lost the others by then. But when Tom leads them off his land the next morning Frodo sees no sign of the two stony pillars he saw the night before. It makes me wonder what those stones were or to what they formed a gate. Quote:
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08-14-2004, 05:06 AM | #78 | |
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When speculating about the origins of Tom Bombadil and Goldberry I think this part of the book is most significant....
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08-28-2004, 10:00 PM | #79 | |
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People are quick to assume I think. People often forget that there are many factors to Sauron, The Ring, and Tom Bombadil. First Sauron and Tom, they both seem to have great powers, who has more... no one will ever know? Especially considering Bombadil has powers that most would not call power. Yet Tom is master, and strong he is. The Ring, it has a power of its own in striving to get to Sauron. The ring also has some misunderstood properties. The invisibility property is the main misunderstanding in that the ring does not always have more power than its bearer! Sauron wore it without loosing his visability because he had the power to bend it to his will. Bombadil I think did the same. If Tom wished to be invisible he could be. As for him seeing Frodo while he put the ring on thats not great thing, any elf could see Frodo with the ring on as well.(as is my understanding) A Maia or a Vala could no doubt see into the "Shadow World" as well. Whatever Tom is he has more power than he shows. Why Tom did not desire the ring as any other on ME would is a mystery to everyone and always will be.
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08-29-2004, 03:10 AM | #80 |
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I don't think that the elves could see into the shadow world.
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