11-05-2003, 03:36 PM | #61 |
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It is about time you ate your own words Jerseyman. Why would Sauron the great appoint the nazgul as his high servants if all that they could do was screech. Would evil creatures follow something that just screeches? Peter Jackson obviously saw in the writing what the true meaning was.
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And I did say suppose in my last post. Furthermore I think we all should drop the debate on who's who and concentrate on the topic at hand as to whether or not the LoTR-movies are action movies.
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Define, action
To respond correctly, we must define what makes an action movie. If an action movie is where one person has a long conflict with another, then all movies are action. Or do you think an action movie is totally devoted to having a whole lot of explosions at the sacrifice of a good storyline? Obviously the movies do not fall into the second.
LOTR has no relation to Lethal Weapon or Die hard, which are the definitive action movies. I think that the movies are more like star wars than those. look at what they have in common: 1. good story 2. okay cast 3. totally redefined the industry and the list goes on... They aren't action movies, but they do have some (SOMETIMES too much) action in them.
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Interesting. But I would point that the emphasis is quite clearly on the action while everything else was much downplayed, to the point that JD included entirely new, unnecessary scenes, (if one wants to defend the theory that he wanted to simply make a movie adaptation) and had changed others to increase the action.
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However unfortunate that is that other people do not have that basis, you still have to try and please the Jocks, the teenieboppers, the anarchists, the Women's rights activists and no matter what you do nobody will be totally satisfied. The movies still could be better, I wanted the Barrows/Bombadil scenes in the movie. It explains how Merry's sword can break the Witch King's immunity. Obviously they didn't put it in, and that doesn't make me or others happy but they had to choose.
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Cassius have you not read any of JD's quotes. Apparently not because if you had, you would not have mentioned anything from the Extended Editions. Apparently only what was shown in theaters counts. lol!
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You can't assume people know anything about Merry and Pippin's swords or any of galadriels gifts - because it was not in the theatrical release.
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I'm pretty sure that Merry and Pippen lose their elven blades since the sheaths are found by the three hunters in the orc pyre. PJ stated he doesn't like magic so they will find some other way to kill the witchking. Maybe it will be attributed to Eowyn's estrogen power over the wraiths.
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I'm neither defending nor disparaging the shot. I do, however, consider the frequent references to it as evidence of the hack job PJ is alleged to have performed inconsistent with the cavalier dismissal of, for example, the gift scene as shown in the EE.
I will not waste my time trying to persuade you that PJ did a pretty good job on balance. You have a different opinion, and I respect that. However, I ask that you respect my opinion, as a dyed in the wool Tolkien fan, that the movie does a pretty good job of portraying LOTR. Would I have done certain things differently? Probably. Does the fact that PJ changed certain plot elements in any way detract from the books? Not at all. In fact, the existence of the movies enhances the books, in that readers who would never have read them now seek them out. My wife is a prime example. I've been trying for years to get her to read Tolkien, with no success. After seeing the movies, she has read not only LOTR, but is working on the Sil as well. If for no other reason, I am grateful for PJ for that.
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