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04-01-2008, 09:45 AM | #61 |
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Happy April 1 to you too, Butterbeer.
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04-01-2008, 09:48 AM | #62 |
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heh .. i was being serious!!!
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04-01-2008, 11:48 AM | #63 |
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1) Sam - it's his story IMO
2) Frodo 3) Aragorn 4) Sauron 5) Smeagol - Gollum |
04-01-2008, 12:10 PM | #64 |
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I agree about Sam... it's essentially, for all those who are not Maia, his story.
I can go with the rest of the list, too, with the possible exception of Sauron. I'm just not sure Sauron is a person in most senses of the word. he's certainly a force...but the Ring is almost more a character.
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04-01-2008, 01:47 PM | #65 |
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He may not be a person, he may be a force, but he still has hands, so I guess he can count as a character - he MADE the rings of power after all.
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04-01-2008, 02:11 PM | #66 | |
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When, as an actor, I talk about "a character", I'm talking about "someone I get to play." Characters, in that sense are just 'jobs.' From a literary POV, a character needs to be more than a hole in the scenery with hands. A character makes choices, and a central character makes choices that matter to the story. Within LOTR, Sauron hardly qualifies. I know he's a big deal in the Tolkien mythos, but Arwen makes more choices, even Gimli is more fully drawn. Sauron is a straw man. He's "the bad guy." That's my objection.
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
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04-01-2008, 04:09 PM | #67 |
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I think it's got to be:
Gandalf Aragorn Frodo (Mr grumpy ) Sauron (you need a baddie really) Evil but not as grumpy as frodo Sam He rocks!!! ie. same as everyone else...
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04-01-2008, 04:49 PM | #68 |
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Sauron, the "wise fool", makes plenty of choices; Gandalf describes his motives and intentions in some detail, for example.
Clearly, no actor would want to play him though, as he is off stage the whole 3 Acts.. |
04-01-2008, 04:57 PM | #69 |
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Elrond - Helped raise Aragorn and he's Arwen's father. Also has a very important supporting role, and it's in his home that the Fellowship is brought together.
Glorfindel - Well, they all would have been Nazgul food without him, eh? Théoden - call him the Blücher of LotR, comes in at the last moment and saves the day, without him, the Pelennor Fields would have been lost. Aragorn - The man who would be king. Of course he's important. Sam - A hobbit making my list. You should be impressed. But wimpy Frodo never would have made it witout him.
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04-01-2008, 05:06 PM | #70 | |
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It's just like Richard 3rd, folks. It's a great play, has nothing to do with the actual guy. Suaron isn't even eye-witnessed in the books, except in appendices. Not enough to work with as a 'character."
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
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04-01-2008, 05:10 PM | #71 | |
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
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04-01-2008, 05:14 PM | #72 |
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Er...I was totally serious. And I even included species other than elves. That took work. My first list was:
Elrond Galadriel Glorfindel Gildor Legolas So I really tried for multiculturalism here.
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04-01-2008, 05:50 PM | #73 |
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First, I am glad to see so many people value Sam.
Second, Sauron indeed should count. He was a character in the book. Third, Curufin? This isn't a "favorites" thread, it's a "most important" thread. As in, most important to the story LotR, not most important to you.
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04-01-2008, 07:38 PM | #74 |
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You are entitled to your opinion siscuz, but I must vehemently disagree with your assertion that Sauron is not a character.
Let us take a defintion from the handy google + define: "fictional character: an imaginary person represented in a work of fiction (play or film or story);" For a fictionalised entity to be recognised as a character, all it has to do is meet the above criteria. A representation. It can be an absentee, only-gonna-turn-up-to-find-his-lost-contact-lens, apparently has no hands SOB (according to those 'beloved' movies), but he's still a character, and as the 'creator' of the rings, I'd argue a pretty darned important one. Oh - and it's awesome that this thread has been so revitalised. I was expecting another abrupt death.
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04-01-2008, 08:51 PM | #75 |
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This is such a Rorschach test.
We're like the blind men and the elephant. Or Oliphant, if you will.
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
04-01-2008, 08:53 PM | #76 |
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Ya know, I knew that, right away. And I appreciated it.
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
04-02-2008, 07:25 AM | #77 | |
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Sis - First - Second: What characters on my list aren't important?
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04-02-2008, 07:55 AM | #78 |
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Hehe, BoP, you managed to kill and resurrect the thread, how nice
1) Sam 2) Gandalf 3) Aragorn 4) Treebeard and the ents 5) the eagle who's name I keep forgetting. EDIT: though Sam is number 1, the others are in no particular order
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04-02-2008, 08:02 AM | #79 | ||
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100 years ago, my parents saw fit to have me evaluated by psychologists. They administered tests, and I took them. The results they arrived at contravened everything anyone previously knew about me, so everyone was mad at me for gaming the tests. Now the problem was, I did EXACTLY what I was asked to on those tests. If they asked me which picture I liked best, I told them. I might judge on the composition, I might judge on the fashions, I might judge on people's expression. There was no stricture given on my method of deciding. Not my fault it was a poorly designed test. I could have helped them with that. And thus has no wrong answer. Quote:
It's all very interesting. Thanks, BoP.
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
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04-02-2008, 08:04 AM | #80 |
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See, that's Mari. She's so much further without prejudice than most people. Eagles and Ents. Seems obvious, when she points it out.
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
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