What Was the Purpose of the 2 Blue Wizards - Page 4

Radagast The Brown · 01-31-2005, 06:22 PM

A sentence later she mentions the King's Eagles - Manwe's Eagles. Not Yavanna's.

I've always understood this passage differently though, I didn't read it well. But anyway, the Eagles are still Manwe's, and therefore Gandalf was more in contact with them than Radagast.

Embladyne · 01-31-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Radagast The Brown

Gandalf was more in contact with them than Radagast.

True that.

ItalianLegolas · 01-31-2005, 06:38 PM

they basically are his though, regardless of whether Yavanna had a role in creating them or not, they are called 'The Eagles of Manwe' for a reason you know

Last Child of Ungoliant · 01-31-2005, 06:45 PM

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they basically are his though, regardless of whether Yavanna had a role in creating them or not, they are called 'The Eagles of Manwe' for a reason you know

well, they're not really his, he may have had a part in their creation, and they may be subject to his rule and word, but they are sentient beings, and thus not belonging to anyone,

ItalianLegolas · 01-31-2005, 06:48 PM

i just noticed that i hit 500!! w00t! anyway, the eagles are sentient beings, but wuestion, why did Manwe create them?

Last Child of Ungoliant · 01-31-2005, 06:54 PM

his sentinels, messengers, companions?

Embladyne · 01-31-2005, 06:55 PM

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his sentinels, messengers, companions?

Well, since their mention comes right after that of the ents...I think part of their purpose is for protection of other animal types.

ItalianLegolas · 01-31-2005, 06:57 PM

that would make sense, a good idea EM

Last Child of Ungoliant · 01-31-2005, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Embladyne

Well, since their mention comes right after that of the ents...I think part of their purpose is for protection of other animal types.

another very good notion, although IIRC the sil mentions that the eagles were to be the eyes and ears of manwe in ME after the rebellion of the noldor (Grr @ feanor

), for manwe still had a thought and care for the elves, or words to that effect, tho i would severely doubt that the eagles were limited to a single purpose, they seem at least as intelligent as men, maybe even on a par with elves or even maiar?

ItalianLegolas · 01-31-2005, 07:04 PM

maybe they were Maiar

Pytt · 02-01-2005, 04:42 PM

I don't think they were Maiar. As LoCu says, they were the eyes and ears of Manwe, and I find it not likely they were maiar. But I can't really say why, so I'll guess I have to agree with you; they could be maiar

Radagast The Brown · 02-01-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

another very good notion, although IIRC the sil mentions that the eagles were to be the eyes and ears of manwe in ME after the rebellion of the noldor (Grr @ feanor

), for manwe still had a thought and care for the elves, or words to that effect, tho i would severely doubt that the eagles were limited to a single purpose, they seem at least as intelligent as men, maybe even on a par with elves or even maiar?

Don't think Manwe needed the Eagles to be his eyes or ears... when Manwe and Varda are together, he can see... pretty much everything, and Varda could hear any sound.

Pytt · 02-01-2005, 05:19 PM

Yes, but it is mentioned in the Sil, that the Eagles were Manwes eyes and ears.

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ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	they basically are his though, regardless of whether Yavanna had a role in creating them or not, they are called 'The Eagles of Manwe' for a reason you know __________________ What was lost is now found.

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ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	i just noticed that i hit 500!! w00t! anyway, the eagles are sentient beings, but wuestion, why did Manwe create them? __________________ What was lost is now found.

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ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	that would make sense, a good idea EM __________________ What was lost is now found.

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Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	his sentinels, messengers, companions?

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Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	I don't think they were Maiar. As LoCu says, they were the eyes and ears of Manwe, and I find it not likely they were maiar. But I can't really say why, so I'll guess I have to agree with you; they could be maiar __________________ Don't Panic!

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Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	Yes, but it is mentioned in the Sil, that the Eagles were Manwes eyes and ears. __________________ Don't Panic!

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