05-27-2006, 03:31 PM | #61 |
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good choices...i always liked them and felt sorry for them...
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05-27-2006, 03:54 PM | #63 |
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yes, but this would be a perfect oppurtunity for redemption...
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05-27-2006, 04:15 PM | #64 |
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excactly my point. oh, and on the subject of Maglor, do you think that he is still wandering "ever upon the shores, singing in pain and regret beside the waves" by the end of the third age?
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05-28-2006, 04:21 PM | #65 |
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dunno...aragorn or cirdan or gandalf would've found him, i think...
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05-28-2006, 04:23 PM | #66 |
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if they had found him, what would they've done?
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a good question...i dunno, really...but wait! aren't we a tad off-topic, jammi?
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05-28-2006, 05:33 PM | #68 |
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Also, how much did Sauron persuade Morgoth to do things in the first age? Or was Morgoth such a brill tactitioner that he didn't need any help?
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maybe EVERYTHING was Sauron's idea, and Melkor was just a pushover?
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05-28-2006, 05:50 PM | #70 |
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might be.
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05-28-2006, 06:45 PM | #71 |
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i can just picture it...hm...i should formulate my thoughts and go post in the "they'd never say that" thread...guest star Melkor...
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05-28-2006, 06:59 PM | #72 |
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nice thoughts @ http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...460#post549460
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ah, thankee jam! i was just going to come tell everyone to go look too! hehe...daisies...i just added a bit though...
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much better now edited.
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thank you, thank you!
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[QUOTE=jammi567]Also, how much did Sauron persuade Morgoth to do things in the first age? QUOTE]
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so your point is?
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methinks they're saying that sauron didn't persuade them to do anything and that everything was morgoth's idea and sauron just followed because he loved and honored morgoth...just a vague guess though...
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Another interesting bit from the Myths about Melkor pursuing only his designs: "The time of Melkor's greatest power, therefore, was in the physical beginnings of the World; a vast demiurgic lust for power and the achievement of his own will and designs, on a great scale. And later after things had become more stable, Melkor was more interested in and capable of dealing with a volcanic eruption, for example, than with (say) a tree. It is indeed probable that he was simply unaware of the minor or more delicate productions of Yavanna: such as small flowers (If such things were forced upon his attention, he was angry and hated them, as coming from other minds than his own)." Last edited by Landroval : 05-29-2006 at 02:10 PM. |
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so yeah, melkor was a control-freak...
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