01-31-2007, 09:43 PM | #61 |
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Ooh. Leif called me a liar.
That offends me, and all other paperhangers.
That's okay. I know you're confused and underslept. "women hold more negative views about war and military intervention than men." Okeydokie. Accepting that, for the purposes of debate, as fact, how do you get from that to 'women are indecisive'? It says, in fact, the opposite. It says they're decisively against war. Does that mean they'd lack resolve in defending themselves? You don't have any evidence to say so. You've made a number of leaps that aren't supported by the facts presented. And notice, I'm actually trying to use the facts presented, barring a side excursion into wordplay about 'trees", which you clearly didn't find funny. I'm sorry that struck you wrong. It's just that you seem so secure in assuring us that you have learned much in your political science classes, and are therefore expert in presenting a summation of what is, after all, a pretty wide ranging field in a topic that is itself immense. If you told me you had a graduate degree in 'Gender Studies' I would be similarly amused. I take all assertions of authority, on the web and otherwise, with suspicion. It's probably an INTJ thing. I haven't asked for your class list, GPA, SAT score, reading list and copy of your last graded paper, have I? Because if you were Betty Freidan, posting from the afterlife, it wouldn't make a bit of difference to me. What your argument is, does. And I have LOTS of experiences not germane to this thread at all, if that reassures you. But I'm not just trolling, if that's what you'd like to say. I'm just debating, because it's taking me FOREVER to read the entire "fan chick" or whatever they called it, thread, and I crave a little live interaction. Not at the expense of your bloodpressure, however. I'm sorry I've been so annoying to you. When I reflect that the only thing you REALLY know about me is that I'm incredibly annoying, it causes me to reevaluate my behavior, somewhat. I shall try to be less so, within my limitations. |
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Byebye Lief~ :(
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nurturing <--- women ----------- men ---> aggressive we arrived at: nurturing <--- women -> ------- <- men ---> aggressive if you get what I mean... Anyway, I think we made some progress here people!
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But I never made the general statement that "women are indecisive." Again, I'm afraid that your ignorance about politics is showing through from your post. You have said that you accept that "women hold more negative views about war and military intervention than men," for the purposes of this debate. That again shows you are ignorant of the basics of Political Science that were taught in PS 110. One of the earliest, most basic Political Science classes you can take. If you were an elected official, as I feel very certain now you aren't, you would know your basic facts rather than saying you accept these basics "for the sake of debate." Quote:
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Though I note that this is another evidence against your having the credentials and job occupation that you cited yourself as having. You said earlier that you were strapped for time. That would make a lot of sense, if you were an elected official evaluating political science, and with all the other credentials you said you had. But if you are able now to have the time to read through the whole fan chick thread, well . . . I'd say you likely have more time than the average elected official. Quote:
But I will only get off your back and call a truce if you take back your untruths about your identity and apologize to the Entmooters on this thread. Then I really will get off you, and we can restart on better terms, Earl. Think about it. Everything you do and say on this site is likely to work against your story, because you've claimed an identity for yourself that you can't live up to, at present. But I promise you that I will lay off if you take back your story. I would also respect such a choice very highly, because doing that takes courage. Another option is just reentering Entmoot with a new username. ~Lief
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02-01-2007, 12:14 AM | #64 |
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Lief, I don't need a truce,
if you need me to make up an apology for my supposed sins against the moot. I'm content to let my identity develop here in natural fashion, without a change in username. If you don't believe my credentials, well, that's your lookout. Suspicion of the claims of strangers is healthy, far be it from me to discourage THAT. But I don't need your validation, and if you enjoy detecting, detect away. Bringing such joys are part of my lifework.
You didn't see anything funny about the whole "Leif motif' that made me giggle about the "branch" of political science? See, I really thought that was intentional on your part. Whups. |
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Well that one's up to you, sisterandcousinandaunt.
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That makes me happy .
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I want to wait before responding to your post-- I really think you're abusing the term "genetics"! Okay, now I'll wait before responding to your post so as not to tempt you away from your school work.
Go! Work on your essays! Do as I say, not as I do, Nurv
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Lief Erikson, renowned activist of the Mootish Commonwealth has uncovered an ancient manuscript which proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Pope John Paul II was a woman! "We expected it," commented religious leader Freddie Phelps, Sr., pastor of the Westboro Baptist Church. "I've known that it was a fag church all along. Only makes sense that their hell-dwelling leader would turn out to be a woman in disguise. Oh, by the way, God hates fags." "For me, it was a surprise," says famed Catholic theologian Hans Kung. "I mean, sure, I figured out the guy wasn't infallible, but not a guy, either?" Pope Benedict XVI has refused to comment.
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Ha! That's awesome Gwai.
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This looks like it used to be an interesting thread.
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Women are every bit as essential to the human race and as valuable to it as men are. As you and GrayMouser have pointed out, they lend another perspective that is very helpful, and a man-woman team working together is excellent. It can function together in wonderful ways, both genders adding together their unique qualities to make a stronger whole. I don't tend to approve of women holding positions in the government or voting that involve national security, however, because women tend to drag on war efforts, both before wars and during them. Quote:
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In the US, females make up almost 51% of the population, a majority. Thus, the female tendency to "drag on war efforts" etc. should be the accepted procedure in national security matters. The innate male "aggressiveness" must be considered a divergance from the standard (female) genetic composition.
Lief, it is the men who shouldn't be allowed to have too much influence over national security! Wars would be less frequent and last shorter. And that's the way it should be, because biology + majority judges it right! Seriously though - gender issues, genes, biology - these are all things that can easily lead to discrimination. To give men and women different degrees of influence in various political areas, is discriminating. Everyone has an equal right to decide things about their own country, especially on such important matters as going to war or not. We can't and mustn't let ourselves be ruled by the tyranny of biology because that would be treading on our freedom and sense of equality.
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Lief, you're back! Long time no see
Don't really feel like thinking everything you said through (you said a lot) but I would like to point out that in a votingsystem, if you want women to vote in favor of a war, you have to show that there really is no other option then to wage war. If your logic isn't good enough to convince them of that, that doesn't mean that women can't say yes to war, it means that the government can't present the necessity of war good enough. But that's what I believe. And with the example of the disasterous Iraq-war I don't think many Americans, female OR male will vote in favor of (for example) a war against North-Korea.
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Lol.
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And before you start saying that sometimes there is no time for thorough consideration, like for example after Pearl Harbor, it is my believe that in such extremities, women are fully capable of saying yes to war. Mainly because Pearl Harbor and the terrorist attacks happened in a country they felt more or less safe. You defend what you feel is yours. And after attrocities are commited against them or their country(men) people are easier up for a war.
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And because men are more likely to choose war, men of both sides are more likely to choose war. Both Nazi Germany and pre-War Japan were extremely maculinized warrior societies- women's place was in the domestic sphere, things like war were too important to be left to them etc.- and both were extremely aggressive.
It's been pointed out that advanced democratic nations don't go to war with one another- the "no two countries which have McDonald's have ever gone to war" case. It could be argued that one of the reason's for this is that democracies have resulted in less aggressive cultures, and that including women in the political sphere has been one reason for this. And since in spite of doom-sayers, Western-originated liberal democracy has survived the test of time, triumphing over the challenges of dictatorial militarism, Fascism, and Communism, then maybe we should keep laying our winning hand, and even try to expand it as much as we can, instead of regressing to the level of our (failed ) opponents. I'd be much happier if the less aggressive sex had more influence in places like Iran, North Korea, and Pakistan.
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