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11-20-2003, 10:32 PM | #62 | |
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11-21-2003, 12:50 AM | #63 | |
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11-21-2003, 01:00 AM | #64 |
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Some Muslim women have been making the argument against polygamy by saying that Mohammed stressed that a man must treat all his wives exactly equally, including sexually; since this is impossible (for anyone except the Prophet himself, of course- don't want to get blasphemous), monogamy is the way to go.
Even in cultures where polygamy is permitted most people are monogamous; polygyny is generally reserved for the wealthy and powerful. Compare with the "trophy wife" in our society.
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Can you imagine how the legalization of polygamy would change the divorce laws in the US? In Texas, 1/2 of everything you own when you are married is owned by you and the other half is owned by your spouse. This is for things you aquire while married. I don't know what the laws are for stuff you owned before you got married, though.
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11-21-2003, 12:44 PM | #69 | |
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Well they're cracking down in Malaysia anyway
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and the text messaging thing is disgusting Does it go both ways? Can the wife divorce her husband that way?
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In the Muslim countries, I doubt it...it's more likely in Malaysia, though, I should think.
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11-22-2003, 04:39 AM | #73 | |
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Muslims are married under Muslim law; everybody else goes by civl law patterned after the British system Under Shariah Law a husband can divorce his wife by saying "I divorce you" three times, though it should be done over an extended period to avoid actions done in momentary anger. Women can initiate divorce too, but it's a lot harder. Actually, women had more legal rights under Islamic Law than in most European countries until the 19th Century
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If you ever get a chance to see it, a great movie about polygamy is Zhang Yimou's "Raise the Red Lantern", starring Gong Li (sigh).
It's about all the scheming that goes on as each wife tries to improve her own position by gaining favor with her husband- the title comes from the practise of putting a red lantern in front of the room of whichever wife the husband has decided to spend the night with. In Chinese with English subtitles, but an excellent film. As for me, any man who marries four wives deserves it (Just had a spat with my own wife)
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Personally, I prefer my oriental movies in the original language with subtitles. IMO, it helps to preserve the spirit.
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I skimmed the thread, and decided to add a couple of things: responding to the original thread poster -- the benefits for the man are obvious, but there are reasons I think women enter willingly into this (that is, women who are over the age of 18 who do so by their own choice). I'm speaking more about polygamy in this country (illegal, as in the case of that guy that was being prosecuted out west), rather than in other cultures that have different customs (as in the Asian film mentioned). The main reason the first wife might have is that she gets to "keep" her husband, by letting him have another woman/ women under their roof like that. Secondly, since becoming an "at-home" mom, I can see where it would be nice to have a couple of extra pairs of hands to help with the kids, housework, errands, etc. (But rather than "sister wives," I'd like my extra pair of hands to be those of a housekeeper! ) I think it's a way for a man who has religious beliefs to fool himself into thinking he's doing the moral thing by "marrying his mistresses" or something. I wonder what they do with the line in the marriage vows that says "...and forsaking all others?" I saw a PBS special on polygamy a few years ago, and they did have one example of polyandry. There was a (pitiful, IMO) young woman (teens, I guess) that was married to several brothers. The reason was because it in a desolate region (somewhere like the Afghan countryside) where there was a shortage of women of childbearing age. So the brothers shared her, so they could all have children. But they said polyandry is extremely rare. They also gave the example that there were high ranking women in ancient times that had more than one husband (maybe Egypt?). Also, that one case I mentioned where the polygamist out west is being prosecuted: he kept having all these kids with his four wives, but they had to be on public assistance because he couldn't afford to support them all, and the wives couldn't work because of the religious beliefs. So that is one of the main reasons the authorities didn't just look the other way, as I guess they do in most cases of polygamy: the taxpayers were paying for this guy and his wives to live like that. The odd thing is that if the guy was just LIVING with all of them, it wouldn't be against the law. And I thought that LEGALLY the other marriages would be null and void, since the law only recognizes the first marriage. So TECHNICALLY how is it a prosecutable offense? (Not that I'm upset he was prosecuted, the jerk -- purposely bringing children --I'm talking like twenty-something -- into the world that he can't support financially, then having the gall to rely on public assistance! Very irresponsible! At least have a couple of the "wives" get a job! ) I'd be interested to know what his kids -- the ones who by this time are grown -- think of the situation, and if they will follow by being polygamous themselves. |
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