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02-22-2005, 07:02 PM | #61 | |
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You seem to not understand freedom. Freedom is from the government - not from private institutions. If you don't like something - you can always go somewhere else. If you want to use the idiotic term USAmerican - you can always go to some other messageboard where no one has a problem with it. However - if a government doesn't allow freedom - you have no recourse. There is a big difference and I wish you would understand it, but it seems very few understand the difference in freedom from government invasion and people setting their own standards of conduct. For instance - if you have a house - would you set rules that visitors must follow? or would you just let them walk on yiour tables and chairs because that's what they feel they should be able to do? That isn't a lack of freedom - the government hasn''t instituted those rules - however, you have because it's your house. Do you get it now? And again - no acknowledgement of the freedoms you enjoy. But I guess maybe you don't feel you have any freedom. Come on now though - England has just banned fox hunting - lack of freedom, outlaw of guns - lack of freedom, control on drug use - lack of freedom. I can list tons and tons of things that you don't have freedom to do in your country, or even in the US - but it seems like people can't appreciate how much freedom they do have - mostly through a misunderstanding of what freedom is. BTW - it wasn't edited to "merely" American - it was edited to the correct term for the citizens of the US - "American". You show your contempt with it's use and your lack of understanding - this is especially demonstrated by your use of the word "merely"
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02-22-2005, 07:32 PM | #62 | |
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excellent posts Hemel.
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02-22-2005, 07:34 PM | #63 | |
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02-22-2005, 07:40 PM | #64 |
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JD I dont think Hemel's confused about Freedom, i think that she's trying to say that these freedoms are undermined so much through society...
for instance it doesnt matter if a controversial movie is banned or not if no cinema will show it... Just to clarify whats wrong with USAmerican, and if its been edited i sure hope Nigger, spic and Honkey will be edited to...
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02-22-2005, 07:40 PM | #65 | |
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02-22-2005, 07:41 PM | #66 | |
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Im afraid of Americans, JD
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02-22-2005, 07:42 PM | #67 | ||
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02-22-2005, 07:46 PM | #68 | |
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02-22-2005, 07:47 PM | #69 | |
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02-22-2005, 07:48 PM | #70 | |
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I find no reason to allow or to continue useing the term "USAmerican" if it is going to cause problems an is found to be offensive to some members.
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02-22-2005, 08:03 PM | #72 | |
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Speaking of freedom: I'm surprised you haven't had some complaints about your sig. Good thing, cause I would have to edit it if you got any.
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02-22-2005, 08:04 PM | #73 | |
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By the way - can I freely use the term Euro-whiner now? I'll let Hemel use USAmericans if I can use the term Euro-whiners as a general discription of Europeans. I'm sure it wouldn't offend anyone - because it's just a term. Oh and also - because of the EU - you will no longer be your nationality names - you will just be Euro-whiners. I think the french will just be cheese eating monkeys. The german just krauts (or what about nazis - that's always a good one), I'm sure I can come up with names for everyone. I'm trying to think about the english now - oh yes - I know it's "supposed" to be british and god knows there was enough whining on this board in 2002 when I would use the term English to describe the British - so I stopped. But since we aren't given the same respect - I don't see the need to give it to others. Then we can all be happy in our little freedoms of expression and there won't be anymore irony on this thread. I can say what I think of you - and you can say what you think about Americans. And we can all be completely disrespectful to each other - but hey - at least we'll have complete freedom of expression.
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02-22-2005, 08:05 PM | #74 | |
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02-22-2005, 08:07 PM | #75 |
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well i most certainly am not british, i am english, although i won't go so far as to say "proud" thatcher/major/blair ruined that for me, and you can call me whatever you like, we are both in "free" societies [quote HA unquote]
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02-22-2005, 08:16 PM | #76 | |
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I now see that this thread has come down to this. But oh well - this is the type of thread you guys want - with people bitching at each other? Then fine, I'll go for it. I was just trying to have people think about the many things they have to be thankful for to live in free countries - even with some problems. But that seems to be too difficult for so people to understand. So - here it is - let the fighting, name calling and arrogant comments begin.
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02-22-2005, 08:19 PM | #77 | |
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02-22-2005, 08:43 PM | #78 | ||
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I have more of a problem with "idiotic" (that you just used)than "USAmerican". Hemel has explained that from her POV as a Brit, this was a term that she thought of as affectionate and distinctive. If this were used by someone that was continually insulting Americans, then I would have a problem with it. But come on - this is Hemel - one of the most consistently pleasant people on Entmoot! Consistently thoughtful and kind posts. I think you entirely misunderstood her post on conformity. I think it was a brillant post on the general topic of freedom in societies and what it really means. Unfortunately you took it as an insult IMO, it was not off-topic at all, and it illustrated a very important point, and a point that we should all examine in our own lives - the results of the pressure to conform, even if "officially" we don't have to. Absolutely spot on, very on-topic, very thought-provoking and well thought out, and a great contribution. I think perhaps Hemel is leaving Entmoot over this I understand that Entmoot is run by admins, and is not a democracy, and I respect this (and I also happen to like and respect the admins). I think Hemel's loss would be a terrible loss for Entmoot, and I hope she will reconsider. I think we all need to be more tolerant of others, as so many people say yet don't practice. Shall we stop using "Brit" because it's not accurate? I don't see any objections from the Brits over that term. They're being understanding and tolerant, because they understand that that is an affectionate term when we use it. And Hemel has stated that USAmerican is an affectionate term when she uses it. I think we should return the favor, and allow the use of USAmerican, and choose to not be offended when it's very clear that no offence was meant (on the contrary, as she explained many times, it's an affectionate term for her to use). Quote:
You are calling her a liar, btw, by saying she is showing "contempt" by the use of this word, when she has clearly said it's an affectionate term, and one that for her, as a non-US-citizen, is a helpful term in terms of being more accurate for how a non-US-citizen views things. I think we should be more tolerant of other people's POVs, esp. when it is abundantly clear that no offence is meant at ALL. I hope you don't leave, Hemel!!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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