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07-13-2002, 11:46 PM | #61 |
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I always thought that he was Tolkien's version of Father Time. Well......a very eccentric, happy-go-lucky Father Time who "just wants to.......SING!"
It sounds like Tolkien wanted to keep us guessing about Tom. Maybe Tom was Aule's son or something. I don't think we are supposed to figure this out......
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07-13-2002, 11:48 PM | #62 |
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Oh. I forgot the strange dress code.
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07-18-2002, 12:17 AM | #63 | |
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07-18-2002, 12:56 AM | #64 |
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Aule's son! Now I have heard everything! The Valar did not have children. The only Ainur who had or could have had children were those who assumed a physical embodiment, either given to them or of their own will, whereby they would become subject to the hardships endured by Men, Elves and other Races. Ungoliant and Melian are two examples of Maiar who assumed long-term bodily form and had children. The Istari were given such forms in the Second and Third Ages, but if anyone of them had children it is not recorded by Tolkien. None none of the Valar ever assumed these kinds of forms, except for fallen Morgoth.
In any event the Elves knew Tom as Benadar, which means "Fatherless".
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07-18-2002, 01:34 AM | #65 | |
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07-29-2002, 04:15 PM | #66 |
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I really liked Erendis's theory (all right, the one he/she/it posted. Erendis claims it is not his/her/its personal theory, but I still like it. Apologies to Erendis; I don't know whether you're male, female, or neuter, as you haven't been here very long), and I suppose I could go along with the one someone posted a while back about Gandalf being Tom. Was that Khamul who posted that one?
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07-29-2002, 09:07 PM | #67 |
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For anyone who cares-- I am a female.
The theory, by the way, is by someone named BurraHobbit on another discussion board.
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07-30-2002, 03:49 PM | #68 |
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Okay. So the theory that Erendis posted, which she got from someone called BurraHobbit on another board, is one that I can agree with.
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08-01-2002, 09:32 AM | #69 |
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Has anyone read or even seen the book "The adventures of Tom Bombadil"?
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08-01-2002, 01:43 PM | #70 | |
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08-02-2002, 12:19 AM | #71 |
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On the back cover of the Simirillian, it states that tolkien did write such a book, never seen it though, in any bookstore or library.
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08-02-2002, 01:12 AM | #72 |
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It was one of Tolkien's earlier works. I'm not sure how you'd go about procuring a copy, but I would suggest the library. Or perhaps amazon.
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08-02-2002, 06:07 AM | #73 |
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The advertures of Tom Bombadil is a collection of poems by hobbits isn't it? Actually I think Bilbo wrote some of them. I have seen it at my library, I will borrow it one of these days.
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08-02-2002, 10:53 AM | #74 |
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i don't think that it is at my library, because i think that i allready checked out all of the tolkien books, but i'll get my mommy to check b/c she works right next to the library!
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08-05-2002, 04:38 PM | #75 |
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I too agree with Erendis (I saw burrahobbit's argument too, but you posted before I could get there).
I've got a copy of The adventures of Tom Bombadil somewhere, it comes in a dual book with Farmer Giles of Ham, so you might have better look searching under that name, although it may be out of print. |
08-05-2002, 05:42 PM | #76 |
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For gods sake, use inter-branch loaning. If good ol' backwards NZ has this function, then you guys should.
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08-05-2002, 10:24 PM | #77 |
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Ahh, libraries are great arn't they? The only JJRT book I have is the LOTR, the rest I borrow from the library. I have now put on hold the history of middle earth. They have the adventures of tom at my crap library, so other libraries should have them too.
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03-06-2003, 12:23 AM | #78 |
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i love the library
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03-08-2003, 06:56 PM | #79 |
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I like the theory Erendis posted too.
Oh yeah, another reason Tom can't be the Witch-King is because he said he wasn't master of the riders out of the Black Land.
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Sorry. Couldn't resist that. I love the Witch King theory, and the four elements theory is one I've never heard before (wouldn't Gandalf be "air," as he never settled in one place?), but my favorite is the "Tom is the reader" theory. That business about the reader being the only one besides Tom who was present in the room and could see Frodo wearing the Ring.... And in "The Old Forest" in Fellowship of the Ring, there's another mention of a gate when the hobbits come upon the Withywindle: Quote:
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