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Gandalf’s depiction of the results of a Sauronian victory are not very pleasant in FotR, “Shadow of the Past”:
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We are not told how Sauron obtained his slaves. I strongly disagree that ALL his subjects were slaves. There had to be soldiers, bureaucrats, civil workers, artisans, and free peasants. The free ones were becoming rich under Sauron's rule. But he also had slaves, yes. Perhaps the slaves were not even prisoners of war, but convicts from Harad, Khand and Rhun. I totally see Sauron using labor camps for the "wrong-doers" or dissidents, much like it was done in XX century real-word. That was the sort of "progress" Sauron would invent along with personal numbers. |
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09-24-2008, 09:44 AM | #64 |
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In another way, though, Gordis, all Sauron's subjects were slaves in a sense. Any who rebelled or tried to forge their own independent course would certainly have been smacked down. If slavery is the opposite of freedom, then all Sauron's subjects were slaves because none of them were free.
Of course, freedom is relative, even in free societies.
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Weren't all Gondor subjects slaves in a sense as well? Any who rebelled were driven away to Umbar - at best.
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As to your second quote: "the great slave-worked fields of Nurnen…" I see it this way. Mordor likely had very small native population of Men. This population was self-sufficient: they were able to feed themselves, but never to ensure the extensive production of crops for the army. I believe, once he settled in Mordor, Sauron simply imported slaves from tributary lands to work the fields of Nurn - and the products were used to feed all his orcs and soldiers. |
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Well, we definitely know what Ar-Pharazôn and Sauron did with dissidents, don’t we? They were sacrificed by Sauron in his profane temple on Númenor.
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