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He as king only for 18 years. He did not has a long time to cultivate a royal fan base. Heir apparents have less significance among immortals.
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Sauron comparison with Finrod Felagund
First, lets see a little background on Sauron:
Sauron was one of the Ainur, and was noble and good at the beginning. Of course Sauron was a former maiar of Aulë and had plenty of skill as a craftsmen, unlike FF. From Morgoth’s Ring: Myths Transformed Quote:
Both Sauron and Finrod were lords of great realms in Middle-earth, and had great influence with the race of Men. While Finrod aided men and thought them good things, Sauron corrupted them into his service. Sauron of course, was the one responsible to hastening the Fall of Numenórë. Finrod was of the house of Finarfin, and had golden hair, yet Sauron as en ëalar, could take any form he wished to appear, so he could look fairer than Finrod Felagund. In the end, both Finrod Felagund and Sauron wanted what they thought best for the World. While FF believe firmly in the righteousness of the Valar, Sauron belived after the downfall of Morgoth that he could do things best that anyone else. From Morgoth’s Ring: Myths Transformed Quote:
In their slayings in Middle-earth, FF returned to Valinórë to be with Amarië and Sauron went to the void to be reunited with his mentor. The principal difference that I see is that Sauron never repented for his sins, while Finrod I would assume that he repented for following Fëanor into ME.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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Oh my... How the two Elf lords in question would laugh at this thread. It's utterly ridiculous to try and argue that one is better than the other. They are both wonderful characters because of the different personalities and virtues that Tolkien gave them, not because of the way they compared to one another. I fail to see how you can feasibly compare them in a a negative manner. They were both loyal to their friends, though each showed that loyalty in different ways. They both fought valiently against those who followed Morgoth and both ruled their people wisely in the ways that they believed were wise, which, when you think about it, is the best a ruler can do. Personally I like Finrod's character more, but that is largely because I know more about him, and because what I know of his personality appeals to me. He is someone who values peace and thought but is no coward and has skill in other things as well. If there were as many detailed stories including Fingon as there are including Finrod then perhaps I know more of him and my opinion would change, but as it is, that is not the case.
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Maedhros resisted the urge to Slay Elves for the Jewels for quite a time and held back the urge of his brothers as well. Obviously, he had to eventually succumb to fate...
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Maedhros, I don't think you managed to convince them But I enjoyed the trial. Better luck next time.
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If I could have convinced them, they wouldn't been FF fans.
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O, the horror!
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Yesyesyes, of course ogreatadmin!
EDIT: A most fitting punishment for one who would defile the honour of Finrod the Valiant.
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