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Not presented by Al Gore, but what people know from what they've heard from him. In other words, the report is what people expect the report to be.
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Hey Nurv, since you trust BBC, they do mention, in a rather roundabout way, what I said about the UN.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3569604.stm
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Here's some posts from way back that I forgot to respond to. Sorry guys! Also, thank you Gaffer, I heart you so much.
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Why on Earth did they do this!? That last thing we need is bad science on the global warming side, giving more fuel for skeptics to disbelieve what is happening before our very eyes. However, this really kinches it for me: Quote:
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I guess can quote the book here if you want, but the last time I didn't use an internet source people didn't believe my quote. The part in the book is about 4 paragraphs long.
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Gaffer, I'd fix those quotes...you make it seem like I said ALL that, but my only quote there is the first
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Does that mean you are not 'Mr Conspiracy'?
By day, a mild mannered Traffic warden ..never meaning no harm ... - but by night, after a radioactive cabbage bath, he turns into the Eco debunker meastro ... armed only with a healthy distaste for the evils of science and a pungent cabbagey smell ...'Conspiracy Man' spews out super toxic hot air faster than a dozen volcanoes ... |
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That would be El Tel that Gaffer is replying to in the last sections of his post.
And btw, the Hot Air Man is officially Al Gore, that guy has been jetting around in the skies, and polluting faster than you can say "Uncle Monty". I'm not joking about that either, he really has done his part for global warming...
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Nah, you're thinking of Bonny Prince charlie
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What I will say about man's pollution is that it is causing extinctions, it is making us sick (big time) and soon will cause us to be extinct if we continue with poisoning our own food supply etc. But the planet, will simply shrug it all off like an elephant shakes off a fly (if it notices it at all). What I believe is behind the global warming agenda is the supression of emerging economies by making laws that restrict industry emmissions that are only selectively enforced, affecting only developing countries. Also the powers that be are not going to actually tell you about a real danger when their policy is to reduce population by any means necessary. "If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." (Prince Philip of Great Britain, leader of World Wildlife Fund)
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Oh, there I see the problem. The article says green house gasses, ash and dust combined is more than that of the human activities. I have no problem believing that, considering the vast quantities of ash and dust volcanoes can expell. But it therefore says nothing definitive on the comparison green house gasses alone.
Also, this article mentioned Mount St. Helens, earlier you were talking about Montserrat.
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The first is pure assertion, based on the author endlessly repeating that he's got a PhD. Also note how the sceptics all cite each other. The second, "Two new books confirm global warming is natural". Note: books, not peer-reviewed research. That is, these people are making a fast buck for themselves with popular science tomes which tell us what we want to hear. That makes them lowlives in my book. The third one admits the existence of climate change (I wish they'd make up their mind), but says it's the sun's fault, based on speculative observations of the solar system. They also have the charming comment: Quote:
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