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01-09-2006, 09:58 PM | #61 | |
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01-10-2006, 02:37 PM | #62 |
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Wait! I thought those were Griffens dropping the rocks!
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01-10-2006, 04:37 PM | #63 |
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I will watch for the griffins dropping rocks = Nazi bombers, but I do not think they were as parallel as you suggest. I have seen the film 5 times and have not yet been struck by that parallel.
Nurv, it's swallows that have problems with coconuts - a la Monty Python and THG. Griffins are lion bodied and eagle winged with eagle heads in the rendition in Narnia as produced. (Griffins, by the by, are Christ symbols in medieval literature, Lord of Heaven and Lord of Earth! So I thought the profusion of griffins was a bit much, but then again, I am the one seeing so many Christ symbols, aren't I? Did I mention Unicorns in that regard, yet? And the hippopatamus? etc. etc. etc.) Tilda designed the gown she wore. Maybe she likes curtain rods? I thought the effect was quite well done, though. It helped establish her "otherness" much the way Wormtongue's shaved eyebrows did in LOTR. In Peter's defence, I think he was less adjuring in the text. The movie "polished" up the disagreements so that movie audiences wouldn't miss it. But Peter is not quite the "git" you seem to think him. Please re-read the book to clarify that point. Also, in Edmund's case, they made him look worse as he tried to scare Lucy when he entered the wardrobe. This was screenwriter stuff to punch up the character so audiences couldn't miss the characterization. I think on the whole, screenwriters and special effects and all, it was very well done and not overdone. I'd give them all five thumbs up - if I were a five-thumbed person!
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01-10-2006, 05:20 PM | #64 | |
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01-10-2006, 05:30 PM | #65 | ||
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. |
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01-10-2006, 05:37 PM | #66 | |
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. |
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01-10-2006, 05:57 PM | #67 |
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I don't suppose they could have meant that all wars participate in the battle of good and evil in their own way, could they?
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01-10-2006, 06:00 PM | #68 |
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Yes, and the children get the chance to fight for the good instead of only being victims of war.
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01-10-2006, 06:07 PM | #69 | |
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01-10-2006, 06:12 PM | #70 | |
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My, Sun-star, that sounds fantastically like JKR and HP. I mean, that people actually believe in the good and fight for it and that it is objectively existent and one may side with it (or against it). Do you intend that individual's choices for good or against actually matter? Hector, I think it was just you. I've seen it 5 times and not caught that! (Therefore, I must see it again!)
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01-10-2006, 06:15 PM | #71 |
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I know, isn't it shocking?
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. |
01-10-2006, 06:18 PM | #72 |
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Why, it's positively POSTMODERNLY SHOCKING, IT IS!!!!
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01-10-2006, 06:23 PM | #73 |
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relatively speaking?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
01-10-2006, 06:35 PM | #74 | |
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Maybe that's reading too much into it - in which case it may just be enough to say that yes, London was often caught by surprise. Also there were other reasons why Lucy could have been asleep, such as that people wouldn't wake their children up for every air raid because there were often false alarms.
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. |
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01-10-2006, 06:42 PM | #75 |
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Excellent facts and insight, Sun-star. Thanks for the information. I had meant to look up Finchley because I had puzzled why they mentioned it specifically. A tip of the bowler to you, My Lady!
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01-10-2006, 08:24 PM | #76 |
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I thought it was pretty good overall, but a few things really bothered me. Peter and Edmund were riding Unicorns and Talking Horses! That really annoyed me. Peter seemed kind of meaner in the movie than in the book to me too. Of course I loved Lucy, Aslan, the Centaurs and Fauns, and the White Witch. The scenery was beautiful too.
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01-10-2006, 08:34 PM | #77 |
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but it says in the books that for special occasions and needs, horses and unicorns will allow this.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
01-10-2006, 08:44 PM | #78 |
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But they didn't just ride them on special occasions or in great need in the movie. Why didn't they just ride regular horses? Talking Horses and Unicorns can fight perfectly well without someone on their back. This is just my opinion but I don't think training for battle or hunting is a good enough reason to ride one.
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01-11-2006, 12:31 PM | #79 | ||
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yeah that bugged me too, not during the battle but during the hunt riding a talking horse for something recreational like hunting would be unthinkable. I hope they rectifie that problem in Horse and his Boy.
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01-11-2006, 01:17 PM | #80 |
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unless they were friends, and Phillip (IIRC, that was his name) liked going hunting with Edward.
I can see the riding for the war (and necessarily, then, for the training, too), but I think the hunt scene was only in it for the Hollywood "fun" line. But I see what you guys are saying, and I agree in general.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |