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I'm also not saying banning books just because the person read one because they read on that "sucked".
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![]() As for the original question: Yes the US has many reasons to be proud, they have accomplished much. To be proud in one’s country is a result of belonging to it. We are not just individuals, but also a part of our community, and as such the history of the community is also, to an extent, our own.
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Here the right wing extremists are not allowed to speak in public or do something which is extremely "right". But guess where they go? Hmmm ... don't need to mention the country. And they don't ban just another book. They need some proof in the Constituion. We are not a country full of outlaws. Yah, we actually do have laws and we have to follow them. Quote:
Just a simple insurance organized by the state. I didn't talk of communism. That's something else. Don't take my words wrong.
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By the way - Lalaith - who is it that determines what is extremely right? How far is right? why not restrict the far left? Why not restrict all political speech?
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The only thing that should be outlawed is the actions - not the ideas or books.
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That said, I believe I see your mistake. I believe you are confusing the right to express one's opinions, (however despicable), with a right to urge others to commit racial violence. While I’m not particularly knowledgeable of the French law, the difference between the two can sometimes bring confusion. The first, I believe, is as guaranteed in France as elsewhere. The second however is not a matter of free expression, but a criminal matter. Another possibility is slander; to slander one community is simply not acceptable. So if someone decides to do so it will probably be brought to court by the slandered community or by the state itself.
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There have been many court cases where students have put up websites denouncing their teachers. The schools suspepended the students until they were taken down - they then went to court - most of the websites were determined to be developed on outside computers and had no ties to the school and the students rights were upheld. A person has a right to express their opinions and their beleifs in a TRULY free society - whether you agree with them or not.
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Well I am disappointed in you JD, I mean the person who starts the thread didn't even back up their initial question with any proof other than "read this book, blah, blah, blah..." and with "we need to give compensation" and yet doesn't describe who the heck or what the heck they are talking about.
I am disappointed in you JD, because you should have used your American Pride to do one of two things: 1) Ignore him/her until he/she brings something to the table to discuss or 2) Find where he/she lives and beat the crap out of them This has been a public service announcement by Dúnedain ![]()
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As stated in Federlist Paper #10 by James Madison - the forming of our Repulic was put into place to protect the rights of the minority.
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![]() The thread has sort of gone off topic anyway though and has moved onto what is freedom. Is a country truly free when they infringe on a person's free speech which majority disagree with? Are the rights of the minority worth protecting from the majority or is it majority rule?
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As I said - the only way for the government to start banning books is by removing the First Amendment - this will take a 2/3 vote of Congress and 3/4 approval by the states.
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hey, i could ask the thread starter anything you want next time i talk to him...
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