01-21-2004, 05:02 PM | #61 |
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let's see...
free elections ~ he fought against a recount in his own election free speech ~ he pushed through the patriot act which restricts freedom of speech in more ways than i feel like listing at the moment free trade ~ he raised steel tariffs, extended copyright laws, and forced the us taxpayer to accept excessive no-bid contract terms in the name of national security i am not a "democrat" btw (yes, they buy votes too), i just see them as the lesser of two evils when compared to gwb... and unfortunately, the only "electable" opposition if the choice is between tax and spend or don't tax and spend, i will grudgingly except the former... the government plays much less of a role in the us economy than most non-economists think, the economy will come back with or without political incentives... i am more concerned with how well the politicians keep their own house in order
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I watched most of it. Bush is pretty boring.
That clapping every 1-2 mintues is REALLY ANNOYING and NOT needed. They could at least save their standing and clapping for really good things he says - not just every time he pauses! A few times they clapped just when he paused and when they weren't supposed to. And the democrats applauded at "the patriot act expires next year-" haha, bush made a face at that. and whats with announcing the president like it was at wrestling match? Kennedy was amusing (close-ups of him) otherwise, it was pretty dull and annoying and I turned it off after about 30 minutes of it.
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[edit] Hope you never want to be a politician - because most of it is boring meetings and speeches. You might want to watch CSPAN sometime.
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I just wanted to say all that - ignore it if you like. I'm not going to have this discussion with you again though.
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the government can do little to help the economic situation... it can do a lot to hurt it however... clinton was good for the economy, because unlike bush or reagan, he did very little to change the economic status quo, either by raising or lowering taxes... drastic tax cuts however, whether justified or not, lead to instability... and massive deficits, which will catch up to us if the non-fiscally responsible republicans are allowed to continue to hold the white house (and there are some republicans that are responsible, but they're in the background these days) i want fiscal responsibility first... if i can't get that i prefer someone who does little to nothing, than someone who spends like a kid in a candy store
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For your information - Bush did NOTHING to contribute to the economic downturn. The economy started going south the last year of Clinton's presendency, the corporate scandals that also caused an economic problem for Bush was actually under Clinton. I'm not blaming Clinton for that, but I have seen democrats try to lay the blame on Bush for the corporate scandals. Quote:
Here is the break down of the House and Senate... House of Represenatives ------------------------------- 228 Republicans 224 Democrats 1 Independent 2 Vacancies Senate ------------------------------- 51 Republicans 48 Democrats 1 Independent Congressional Profile [Edit] This is the type of information you can get on Vote Smart... Quote:
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The most pitiful thing about the bill is probably the provision that reduces from 90 days to one day the amount of time that the FBI must keep records of gun purchase applicants that was snuck in as a rider by some representative very much in the pocket of the NRA. What is the point of this!! Keeping those records for 90 days has stopped hundreds of criminals from being able to purchase weapons. In this day in age when the administration loves to crow about how we need to be much more vigilant about terrorists and spend billions on things that allow the government to moniter every thing we do can they really have the unmitigated gaul to scrap something so useful to law enforcement?? what freaking hypocrites. Police forces and the ATF have castigated this move.
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What is a "pork barrel project"?
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01-23-2004, 02:40 PM | #74 |
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like i said it's the lesser of two evils in my view... the economy aside... lately both parties have been doing very little to reduce overall federal debt... and unlike the deficit, this will take more than just an economic recovery to reduce
that said, the democrats have at least been willing to try and cover what they spend... the president and most republicans just don't seem to care
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