05-09-2005, 11:18 PM | #61 | |
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The Wizard from Milan: Evil? No. Name one that's actually "evil" and not something that you're for or not for and he was not for/for. (I.e., your religious thoughts don't intervene.)
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Edit: Since this thread is about Pope Benedict XVI, I'd like to say you can NEVER be too conserative.
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05-10-2005, 01:10 PM | #63 |
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Yeah tell it to the grand inquisitor...
Got any witches to burn??
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And btw, do you support making/keeping partial birth abortion legal? If not, why should you impose your views on those that think it's just fine? If so - God help you Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 05-10-2005 at 02:20 PM. |
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05-10-2005, 02:22 PM | #65 | |
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05-10-2005, 05:00 PM | #67 |
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Most of Africa isn't Catholic. That's why it's not working - it doesn't apply to people who don't believe in the doctrine.
But, hey, where the people are predominately Catholic, Uganda say, it is actually working. Or is that too simplistic thinking?
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I'd say you're right, Janny. There's some pretty cool things happening in Uganda now. Our church has ties to Uganda. We had a pastor over for dinner at our house last week, and talked with another pastor on Sunday. If I have time, I'll research some of the info and give it to you guys. He preached a great sermon on Sunday, too - I think it's on our church's webpage - I'll check.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 05-11-2005 at 04:36 PM. |
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05-11-2005, 04:28 PM | #70 |
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You miss the point. Just abstaining from sex and being faithful is the ticket for reduction in AIDS. Irrelevant of religion.
Because people don't adhere to it doesn't make it the wrong way to do something. If people didn't use condoms (if... such an unfortunate choice) you wouldn't say 'Oh well. This clearly doesn't work.' I believe in the correctness of abstinence, not just the practicality, and I'm not going chuck it in either. Either way - the Pope's role is guard the values of the Catholic religion. His is the voice that stands up for the notion that intercourse is sacred - and arguments get very boring when everyone represents a compromise. |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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You just refuted your own point.
Do you REALLY think someone who has the kind of moral standing that they're willing to rape someone is going to be listening to the Catholic Church about condomes and the like? That kind of person is completely out of the picture. |
05-11-2005, 06:40 PM | #74 |
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well, seeing as how i was not talking about one person, but many factors, and seeing as that is actually one of the points i was trying to make....
why do i even try? |
05-11-2005, 06:43 PM | #75 |
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You just said that the spread of AIDs was partially caused by people saying not to use contraception. I'm saying that they are in no way to blame for the spread of AIDs.
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05-11-2005, 06:43 PM | #76 |
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Indeed, LCOU, you make your point very clear. Thanks.
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If I may interject, A...I...D...S.../...H...I...V is the permanent provable harm in all your argumentation against Janny and Rian in regard to the issues in the last two posts. Lifestyle, in other words, non-chaste/non-monogamous sexual intercourse results in STDs for heterosexuals and homosexuals.
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