Battle of Helms Deep - Page 4

viggosbeard · 07-25-2002, 11:16 AM

Northsuperior - sorry and all that but im in work at the moment so occasionally i have to do a bit !!!
anyway that site was not german , it was

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.co...ngs/movieshots

if yo go down the main page to movie shots chapter by chapter ,
the two towers, then helms deep, there are 2 pix of the guards outside helms gate or whatever. try it , if you cant get it i can email a photo to you,

adios

ps i was dealing with a german client at the time so maybve thats where the german thing came from !!??

Sween · 07-25-2002, 12:29 PM

yep ur right we all seem to be from sunny england. that or we are all insomniacs. What the h*** are soldiers of gondor doing there. next thing will be an army of hobbits

northsuperior · 07-25-2002, 02:05 PM

yup sure looks like a BIG SNAFU dhats fer shure ... those gondorians are lost!!! esp that guy with the brim of his helmet over his eyes LOL
i wonder where that charge of elves in the helms deep shots, against the uruk hai come into play?? while i heard they make a last stand type deal, but that uruk line looks defensive and stationary ah well who knows

Sween · 07-25-2002, 02:33 PM

either way its gonna be cool as. i cannot wait to see this battle i think its gonna nock anything perviosly seen out the water. Looks like arwens there and also looks like Aragons gonna get the sword here. Will the Battle of helm be the climax of the film taking into accout theres no scourging of the shire

Entlover · 07-26-2002, 12:43 AM

The climax has to be the battle before the Black Gates, interrupted by the coming of the Eagles and the destruction of the Ring when all appears lost.

viggosbeard · 07-26-2002, 03:47 AM

There will have to be 2 climaxes type of thing as there are 2 distinct storylines by then , i think from listening to fat bloke down the pub rumour monger that they will be somewhere as follows-

1 Frodo and sam will finnish just before shelob

2 the company will be climaxed with Saruman at orthanc ( maybe even saruman on his wheel of fortune death scene )

That will leave the company splitting up to go their seperate ways
and frodo and sam to start the return of the king with the scrap with shelob !

oh and arwen to take on souron and kick his arse!!!!!

probably wrong as movies love to give out misinformation.

***azalea*** · 07-26-2002, 01:52 PM

I don't want a wheel of fortune death scene. Why can't they just make Wormtongue stab him?

Rei · 07-26-2002, 03:48 PM

If Saruman dies on a wheel of death the PJ will meet then same fate.

Darn typos...

olsonm · 07-26-2002, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rei
If Saruman dies on a wheel of death the PJ will meet then same fate.

Uh oh! PJ's in trouble!

Rei · 07-26-2002, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by olsonm
Uh oh! PJ's in trouble!

Yes he is!

I smiled through the Arwen fiasco but that will be too much for me to handle

northsuperior · 07-26-2002, 07:57 PM

rei will hunt him and with a mighty stroke hew him down before the gates, and he will never be seen by mortal man again.
kinda Tolkeinesque quote dontcha say??
i saw on one web site that old haldir will get knocked off ( preceeded by all the other elves) by a uruk just before Aragorn can save him, that too tolkeinesque..........
makes sense they dont fit inot the plot but i figured a few might make it for the paths of the dead in place of the Grey company.But you couldnt have Hladir as he is more than just any elf at that point of his introduction mind you he could fill in Halbarads shoes who dies latert ahhh then gain yes he does fot that role quite well Haldir= halbarad
kicks off at helms deep ,instead of the pelennor fields
thoughts???

Entlover · 07-26-2002, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by northsuperior
i figured a few might make it for the paths of the dead in place of the Grey company.

Why do you think we won't have the Grey company? Elves are no substitute for an army of the dead. We must have them. They help prove that Strider is Isildur's heir. Besides, they would be so cool.

A thought about Saruman's rumored death on a wheel -- he might get pushed out a window by Grima (or just fall- but that's too much like Gollum's fate) and fall onto one of his engines/wheels/devices that are all around Orthanc in the pits he dug there. Sort of engineering his own destruction.

BeardofPants · 07-26-2002, 09:57 PM

I don't think it's Rei that PJ should be scared of. I *am* just a train away from where he lives.

Later Edit: What the hey?! Soldiers from Gondor?!

northsuperior · 07-27-2002, 12:28 AM

hmmm i didnt mean the dead,or think they should be excluded that would be a BIG mistake i agree, but i was always under the impression the grey company refered to the living members ( ie Aragorn, Gimli, legolas and the rangers )that went thru the paths not the dead that aragorn summoned after travelling Dunharrow ...

Rei · 07-27-2002, 12:51 AM

Quote:

I don't think it's Rei that PJ should be scared of. I *am* just a train away from where he lives.

No, I think he should be very scared of me, I might be more than just a train ride away but as the reining Lord of the Underworld I will bring him much pain as I unleash the hounds of hades and doom his soul to an eternity of Power Rangers, Teletubies, Pokemon and Barney!!!!!

*Cue evil laughter* Mwahahahahahaha*cough*mwahahah

Quote:

rei will hunt him and with a mighty stroke hew him down before the gates, and he will never be seen by mortal man again.

Thanks northsuperior, that's nice. Perhaps you should start a lament for PJ, between me and BeardofPants he's gonna need one!!

viggosbeard · 07-27-2002, 03:45 AM

methinks the lord pj is in much trouble !

Sween · 07-27-2002, 08:49 AM

Sauraman will die in two towers i am willing to bet. there are a few simple movie making reasons for this.

A) the good guys allways win

B) the Bad guys allways die

non tolkien reader will just be really confused if he is allowed to live. and why should he live he has been responsiable for the deaths of thousands. Do you think Theoden would be happy just letting him hang out at home. In the movie he has been set up as a full scale baddie and therefore must die. Its also kinda dumb having him die for a little worm of a human. I think we are gonna see a full scale wizards show down again.

BeardofPants · 07-27-2002, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sween
I think we are gonna see a full scale wizards show down again.

You mean, more staff-bapping?!

Sween · 07-27-2002, 08:58 AM

hmmmmmmmmm maybe but its not the way movies work to show the same thing twice. im not ure what they will use. Its clear gandalf can produce lighting or maybe a sword fight. i really do think they will do the same as last time. mainly because that wont work so well outdoors

***azalea*** · 07-27-2002, 02:38 PM

I thought your comment on the other thread was interesting about how they'll handle the battles (fighting at Isengard after Helm's Deep). I wonder, though, if we'll get to see the ents taking over Isengard. THAT would be cool.
Aaah, it just makes me want more and more for PJ to mirror the book! I wonder if in the future someone will take on the project of really dramatizing it in a way that will include all the elements of the book exactly, just dramatizing the descriptive parts.

07-25-2002, 11:16 AM	#61
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	Northsuperior - sorry and all that but im in work at the moment so occasionally i have to do a bit !!! anyway that site was not german , it was http://www.quintessentialwebsites.co...ngs/movieshots if yo go down the main page to movie shots chapter by chapter , the two towers, then helms deep, there are 2 pix of the guards outside helms gate or whatever. try it , if you cant get it i can email a photo to you, adios ps i was dealing with a german client at the time so maybve thats where the german thing came from !!?? __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

07-25-2002, 12:29 PM	#62
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	yep ur right we all seem to be from sunny england. that or we are all insomniacs. What the h*** are soldiers of gondor doing there. next thing will be an army of hobbits __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

07-25-2002, 02:05 PM	#63
northsuperior Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 22	hmm yes yup sure looks like a BIG SNAFU dhats fer shure ... those gondorians are lost!!! esp that guy with the brim of his helmet over his eyes LOL i wonder where that charge of elves in the helms deep shots, against the uruk hai come into play?? while i heard they make a last stand type deal, but that uruk line looks defensive and stationary ah well who knows

07-25-2002, 02:33 PM	#64
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	either way its gonna be cool as. i cannot wait to see this battle i think its gonna nock anything perviosly seen out the water. Looks like arwens there and also looks like Aragons gonna get the sword here. Will the Battle of helm be the climax of the film taking into accout theres no scourging of the shire __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

07-26-2002, 03:47 AM	#66
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	There will have to be 2 climaxes type of thing as there are 2 distinct storylines by then , i think from listening to fat bloke down the pub rumour monger that they will be somewhere as follows- 1 Frodo and sam will finnish just before shelob 2 the company will be climaxed with Saruman at orthanc ( maybe even saruman on his wheel of fortune death scene ) That will leave the company splitting up to go their seperate ways and frodo and sam to start the return of the king with the scrap with shelob ! oh and arwen to take on souron and kick his arse!!!!! probably wrong as movies love to give out misinformation. __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

07-26-2002, 12:43 AM	#65
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	The climax has to be the battle before the Black Gates, interrupted by the coming of the Eagles and the destruction of the Ring when all appears lost.

07-26-2002, 01:52 PM	#67
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I don't want a wheel of fortune death scene. Why can't they just make Wormtongue stab him?

07-26-2002, 03:48 PM	#68
Rei Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hades....it's a tough job but someone's gotta do it Posts: 182	If Saruman dies on a wheel of death the PJ will meet then same fate. Darn typos... __________________ ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Seek for the Sword that was broken: In Imladris it dwells; There shall be counsels taken Stronger than Morgul-spells. There shall be shown a token That doom is near at hand For Isildur's Bane shall waken, And the Halfling forth shall stand. ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Whoo-hooo!!! I'm an Elven Warrior!!!!! Last edited by Rei : 07-26-2002 at 03:53 PM.

07-26-2002, 07:57 PM	#71
northsuperior Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 22	uhhh huuuuuh rei will hunt him and with a mighty stroke hew him down before the gates, and he will never be seen by mortal man again. kinda Tolkeinesque quote dontcha say?? i saw on one web site that old haldir will get knocked off ( preceeded by all the other elves) by a uruk just before Aragorn can save him, that too tolkeinesque.......... makes sense they dont fit inot the plot but i figured a few might make it for the paths of the dead in place of the Grey company.But you couldnt have Hladir as he is more than just any elf at that point of his introduction mind you he could fill in Halbarads shoes who dies latert ahhh then gain yes he does fot that role quite well Haldir= halbarad kicks off at helms deep ,instead of the pelennor fields thoughts???

07-26-2002, 09:57 PM	#73
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I don't think it's Rei that PJ should be scared of. I am just a train away from where he lives. Later Edit: What the hey?! Soldiers from Gondor?! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords Last edited by BeardofPants : 07-26-2002 at 10:00 PM.

07-27-2002, 12:28 AM	#74
northsuperior Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 22	grey company?? hmmm i didnt mean the dead,or think they should be excluded that would be a BIG mistake i agree, but i was always under the impression the grey company refered to the living members ( ie Aragorn, Gimli, legolas and the rangers )that went thru the paths not the dead that aragorn summoned after travelling Dunharrow ...

07-27-2002, 03:45 AM	#76
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	methinks the lord pj is in much trouble ! __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

07-27-2002, 08:49 AM	#77
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Sauraman will die in two towers i am willing to bet. there are a few simple movie making reasons for this. A) the good guys allways win B) the Bad guys allways die non tolkien reader will just be really confused if he is allowed to live. and why should he live he has been responsiable for the deaths of thousands. Do you think Theoden would be happy just letting him hang out at home. In the movie he has been set up as a full scale baddie and therefore must die. Its also kinda dumb having him die for a little worm of a human. I think we are gonna see a full scale wizards show down again. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

07-27-2002, 08:58 AM	#79
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	hmmmmmmmmm maybe but its not the way movies work to show the same thing twice. im not ure what they will use. Its clear gandalf can produce lighting or maybe a sword fight. i really do think they will do the same as last time. mainly because that wont work so well outdoors __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

07-27-2002, 02:38 PM	#80
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I thought your comment on the other thread was interesting about how they'll handle the battles (fighting at Isengard after Helm's Deep). I wonder, though, if we'll get to see the ents taking over Isengard. THAT would be cool. Aaah, it just makes me want more and more for PJ to mirror the book! I wonder if in the future someone will take on the project of really dramatizing it in a way that will include all the elements of the book exactly, just dramatizing the descriptive parts.

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