Discussion Thread number 2 Of Nazgûl-Kings-Friends-Rings Campaign

[Gordis]

Originally Posted by Valandil

Oh - you're right. I had read her post earlier - but by the time I got to writing mine, didn't remember it pretty well indicated that it was just after Valandil and Rian stopped dancing.

Mmmm - what to do?

Go on, Val, dance with Earniel. I will change my old post 332 accordingly. But don't forget you owe the last dance to Ai!

[Gordis]

Originally Posted by Valandil

Oreturion MAY suspect Mahtaliel once he learns of the topaz - but maybe not. The ML perhaps shouldn't have messed with him... that DEFINITELY made him suspicious! And Oreturion is gifted enough to probably get onto the right scent!

Well but how is he to know who has messed with him? Mahtaliel is an Elf, they know how to put a shield on someone as well. It is Level 5, not exactly black magic.

And if he learns about her past record....

[Butterbeer]

Valandil

24 HOURS!!!

....women eh? Such good imaginations ... and wanton desires

Greywolf:

he/she can bring along some meat or as Gordis posted they snap up the little morsel Lómi.

Sir grey, one attempted attack on a lord of air, is one thing, another on a Lord-elect would be quite another .... plus i am not at all sure Lotesse would appreciate that!

i think udu was suggesting the possibility of bringing the maid for your wolves ... Not LOMI!

I'd go with do her mind, confuse her, accuse her of being drunk and sack her... but whatever ...(thats ref the maid btw)

[Grey_Wolf]

Originally Posted by Butterbeer

Greywolf:
Sir grey, one attempted attack on a lord of air, is one thing, another on a Lord-elect would be quite another .... plus i am not at all sure Lotesse would appreciate that!

i think udu was suggesting the possibility of bringing the maid for your wolves ... Not LOMI!

I'd go with do her mind, confuse her, accuse her of being drunk and sack her... but whatever ...(thats ref the maid btw)

Ok. the wolves won't look upon Lomi as food I promise. BB and (Lotesse), don't u worry.

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by Gordis

Go on, Val, dance with Earniel. I will change my old post 332 accordingly. But don't forget you owe the last dance to Ai!

You are a lady and a gentlewoman... for a Nazgul!

I will most certainly pay the debt.

I'm trying to figure out just when/how Valandil's feelings are going to get 'confused' for awhile. I really hadn't even intended the 'Viagra effect' initially - that was supposed to just be a misunderstanding by Aiwendis, which she quickly realized. Oh well... But now I have to think about the factors: Valandil's initial leanings, a love potion, his own strength of mind, the fact that the potion was weakened - by the timing of its preparation and by the topaz... I'm quite sure it should still have some effect, but not sure how much - or how long it would last. If left to himself, I imagine Valandil's affections would eventually return to what they would have been otherwise, freeing him from the potion's magic - but I don't expect Aiwendis will leave him to himself.

It will be interesting to see how we all play this all out.

[Gordis]

Post #332 now ends like that:

Originally Posted by Gordis

....The Captain was not going to repeat his orders.

Defeated, Aiwendis curtsied to Martalion, as the dance ended, and looked for the King. But the King and the Elf were not going to stop, pressed against each other, they seem lost in their own private world...

Another polo player approached, bowed, and took Aiwendis in his arms. She smiled and replied mechanically. The dance seemed unending.

The end of the former post 332 I shall post again today.

Val Please note, that the FULL effect of Number Nine potion would have made you love Aiwendis ALL YOUR LIFE. So I hope even as it is, it will work at least for a month?

[Gordis]

What a post, Val!

Very very interesting... I liked your explanation why Val didn't follow the old custom. So it was the Queen? Very funny and very plausible.
Well, I really hope Aiwendis will not need to be her daughter-in law.

Also loved your insight into the Governor's family. And Estelmo's POV. He is so charming, the old man.

But I have got a question:
Estelmo said that Ciryon had taken to strong drinks. When has it happened? Before, during, or after the war? Had it something to do with Ilmenzor-the real one, his best friend?

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by Gordis

Val Please note, that the FULL effect of Number Nine potion would have made you love Aiwendis ALL YOUR LIFE. So I hope even as it is, it will work at least for a month?

Maybe so... I was even thinking that perhaps it would end when the moon returned to the phase when the potion was created. I wonder how long that will take us in real time to go 28 days in game time! It has taken almost two months to do two days... but maybe we'll end up advancing things a bit more quickly - let a few days pass here and there.

Hmmm...

Full Moon: Full Life (although possibly able to be countered by circumstances listed for third case below)
New Moon: Without effect
Otherwise: Varied and unpredictable - especially with other factors - previous loves (stronger resistance with actual attachments than with mere infatuations), strength of mind resisting, other factors (such as weakening or strengthening by certain gems), other magic (EDIT - made after Gordis' initial agreement: including a Magical Elven Kiss - although I don't expect you'll agree with that one Gordis! And I may not find a cooperative enough Elf! ), etc.

Maybe something like that?

(EDIT - one more time: and... according to the song, Love Potion Number Nine would releave me of my senses enough to not know whether it was day or night, and to start kissing everything in sight! Strong stuff, that one!)

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by Gordis

Estelmo said that Ciryon had taken to strong drinks. When has it happened? Before, during, or after the war? Had it something to do with Ilmenzor-the real one, his best friend?

I hadn't thought that entirely through. I just thought it could give a reason for Valandil (like me) not knowing the actual custom. I think I picked on Ciryon because he was the youngest of the older three. He may have felt less need to behave sensibly - or been more rebellious (not to offend anyone - but youngest ones often are, and he was the youngest sibling for 51 years - or at least the youngest brother, not accounting for possible unknown sisters).

However - the effects of the war may have figured in, or dealing with the fate of his friend Ilmenzor. If that was the case though, their mother would have only heard it second-hand. So - perhaps it started with an irresponsible youth and worsened with the War...???

BTW - is "Queen-mother" the correct term? I always heard it applied to Queen Elizabeth's mother - but didn't know if that was because she was mother of the reigning monarch (in which case the term should be correct) or because she was the mother of a reigning QUEEN (and if therefore, the correct term for Valandil's mother might be 'King-mother' - but that sounds odd). Does anyone know definitively? Or is there a good way to look that up?

[Valandil]

By the way Gordis - thank you (and you others who do it as well - there ARE several of you), for all the encouragement you give - both to me and other players. Unfortunately, I don't just naturally make comments like that on the posts of others. As I've mentioned once, I still enjoy reading them very much - I just don't state so very much. I certainly should though, even just judging by the encouragment I feel when I see those kinds of comments.

[Gordis]

Originally Posted by Valandil

However - the effects of the war may have figured in, or dealing with the fate of his friend Ilmenzor. If that was the case though, their mother would have only heard it second-hand. So - perhaps it started with an irresponsible youth and worsened with the War...???

I think, that added to the irresponsible youth factor, Ciryon may have been strongly affected by the capture of Minas Ithil, and the losses of his friend Ilmenzor. They have retreated, after all, leaving the Captain of the Tower Veantur and his family behind. And then he may have heard about the capture of Ilmenzor, and started drinking in earnest, while in Imladris with his parents.

Originally Posted by Valandil

BTW - is "Queen-mother" the correct term? I always heard it applied to Queen Elizabeth's mother - but didn't know if that was because she was mother of the reigning monarch (in which case the term should be correct) or because she was the mother of a reigning QUEEN (and if therefore, the correct term for Valandil's mother might be 'King-mother' - but that sounds odd). Does anyone know definitively? Or is there a good way to look that up?

Yes I know definitely. "Queen-mother" is the term for the mother of the reigning monarch - (provided she was Queen before, I think). When the new king takes the crown, his wife becomes the Queen, while the old widowed Queen, mother of the King, becomes "Queen-mother".

RE: THE EFFECTS OF THE POTION.
Yes, I agree with your post. 28 days will do nicely....

[Willow Oran]

Would it be possible to make the University Campus part of the map more specific in terms of which buildings are which? Right now the only ones labeled are the Palace and the Main hall. Our characters are going to be moving aorund in that area a lot and it would be helpful to know where everything is.

[CrazySquirrel]

Great posts all, especially Val and Udu and TD!

[Lotesse]

TD and Crazy Squirrel, and Udu, fantastic posts today (and was it yesterday evening, too?). So, I just now logged on and hammered out Viv's reaction to the Nazgul rumble, and I just came up with it as I wrote - impromptu. I hope you guys like it! Somehow, this is exactly how I see it happening. Hopefully, Buz and Udu can put their heads together now, and do a real fast healing-forgetful spell on Merwen, while Lilly and Viv get to the kitchen and pull out some booze bottles to have around the maid, maybe spill some on her dress and stuff so she stinks of it. We have to get this done like within the next 20 minutes or so; who KNOWS when Zimra or Rian or someone comes home. I think they can pull it off. If they sense someone coming home early, they can just finish the maid off, and Khamul & Buz perhaps can carry the body down to the wine cellar for the time being, until Viv can tell Lomi to call the wolf pack around to the back of the estate.

[Lotesse]

Originally Posted by Butterbeer

Valandil



Sir grey, one attempted attack on a lord of air, is one thing, another on a Lord-elect would be quite another .... plus i am not at all sure Lotesse would appreciate that!

i think udu was suggesting the possibility of bringing the maid for your wolves ... Not LOMI!

I'd go with do her mind, confuse her, accuse her of being drunk and sack her... but whatever ...(thats ref the maid btw)

THANK you, BB!! Yes, what are you OUT of your MIND, Grey Wolf?? As Eowyn says in the movie, to Wikkie, "I will KILL you if you touch her!" Actually, Eowyn said HIM, and plus of course I wouldn't kill you but take it easy, man!! That's my LOMI you're Tolkien about. She and her kind have a long time alliance with the Wolves, don't they? I was thinking, if it comes to it and us Nazgul run out of time while trying to heal and brainwash the maid, and then have to kill her, Viv'll ask Lomi to summon her allies the Wolves to the back area of Orrodel, where they may feast on the body of Merwen. Her being drunk and walking around alone at night, then getting attacked by wild wolves will be the story for the cops. Lomi and her co-horts (maybe the falcons/eagles?) can then give the wolves safe escort, watching from the skies of course, out of Tharbad before the residents go on the warpath for wolves. Just ideas in the idea-cooker...

[CrazySquirrel]

Lotesse, forgive my bluntness, but I can't say that I am fond of your last post.

Khamul is INCREDIBLY out of character. It is TD's final decision, not mine, but I believe it doesn't fit with what TD tried to portray all along at all.

Udu, I think, is also not himself. He is cold, sarcastic, and very well trained.
Buz maybe is OK.
Lilly is a good fighter, but t she is not able to best Khamul single-handedly.

That laugh... but maybe it is just me.

The one in character is Viv, but why should others, especially Khamul, react to her words in this way, even listen to her?

[CrazySquirrel]

Originally Posted by Lotesse

We have to get this done like within the next 20 minutes or so; who KNOWS when Zimra or Rian or someone comes home. I think they can pull it off. If they sense someone coming home early, they can just finish the maid off, and Khamul & Buz perhaps can carry the body down to the wine cellar for the time being, until Viv can tell Lomi to call the wolf pack around to the back of the estate.

Lotesse, the body is out of the way already, Khamul put Melwen on the sofa in the living room and closed the door, I believe. Strange how Viv saw her at all...

[Lotesse]

CS, the whole point is that IS extremely rare. But I want them all putting their heads together and solving this problem toGETHER, and I really wanted them to have a moment to snap out of it, wherein we can all see other sides of who they are. We cannot all always be cold, sarcastic, ditzy, whatever; there MUST me other layers to us, but change whatever you want.

[CrazySquirrel]

Originally Posted by Lotesse

CS, the whole point is that IS extremely rare. But I want them all putting their heads together and solving this problem toGETHER, and I really wanted them to have a moment to snap out of it, wherein we can all see other sides of who they are. We cannot all always be cold, sarcastic, ditzy, whatever; there MUST me other layers to us, but change whatever you want.

OK, here are my points:

1. Viv couldn’t have seen Melwen, as Khamul removed her already
2. When Viv entered, Khamul’s sword was NOT pointing at Udu’s throat anymore, they were standing swords in hand, the three in a row, facing Khamul. Buz in the middle, Udu on his right, Lilly on his left. Khamul was right by the door.
3. I don’t think anyone would have found the situation amusing, least of all Khamul, after being bested by his underlings.
4. the BIG problem is NOT the woman downstairs, she is but a nuisance, BUT the quarrel with Khamul.

What was the need to build the tension like that - by everyone: Gor, Udu, myself - if it could be resolved by a silly laughter? If Khamul can be reasoned with so easily, why was everybody so scared?

[Udukhaturz]

TD, CS, and Lotesse - I have just posted. I think I have left an opening there with the maid still showing signs of life. I will be around for the rest of the evening, so if there are any suggestions for changing anything, just let me know.

By the way, I note with this post that my status has just changed from "Enting" to "Elven Warrior." *smiles happily*