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Re: hooray-this ain't easy without my books
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Isn't it the Red Book?
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b) now you only need to answer, correctly, part one.
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What form... a book? Notes? I'm not sure what you mean. Unless you mean a diary.
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Now that you know the form, think of the definition for the first part and you'll have your total answer.
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Well... he record them in Rivendell, didn't he? And during his journey, too, I guess... if that what you wanted?
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Well finally, RTB, I'd almost given up hope.
Actually Radagast The Brown gets credit for a)=where and Nurvingiel gets credit for b)=in what format. you guys decide who posts the next question....personally I'd vote for Nurvingiel as that answer was more tricksy, prescious. ]
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The Red Book of Westmarch?.......WHICH IS THE ANSWER, SPECIFICS ARE IMPORTANT. ...................no excuses permitted ![]() ![]()
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NO YOU DIDN'T
The Red Book of Westmarch.......IS THE CORRECT answer not merely the red book. fess up, you were not totally correct. ![]()
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It wasn't the redbook of Westmarch where he wrote it. The book of Westmarch contained the writings of Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam. The Red book of Westmarch was compiled after Bilbo sailed.
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Red Book of Westmarch In origin the diary and commentaries of Bilbo Baggins, with additions by his heir THIS ACCORDING TO THE ENCLYCLOPEDIA OF ARDA..and the books written by JRRT are the final say. ...The first definite mention of the Red Book is in the Prologue to The Lord of the Rings, which states that Bilbo took it with him when he left the Shire in III 3001. It was in a very unfinished state at this point; the important Translations from the Elvish would not be added until after Bilbo's arrival at Rivendell. Nevertheless, it must have predated Bilbo's departure by some time, and may even date back to his journey to Erebor sixty years before. ok that's it. N & RTB have the go for the next question
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Huh!
![]() I agree, the Red Book of Westmarch is with the adds of Frodo and Sam. Ok... How was Pippin called by 'the folk' (in Gondor) after he wore the uniform of the gear of the Tower? |
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A prince of the Halflings.
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![]() I actually first thought the question was geographical in nature. "Where" instead of "in what" or "on what" is somewhat ambiguous.
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The Miriam Webster Dictionary defines
Where=Function: adverb Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hw[AE]r; akin to Old High German hwAr where, Old English hwA who -- more at WHO 1 a : at, in, or to what place <where is the house> <where are we going> b : at, in, YOU GUYS can't stand it that I was right in using the terminology I did. Specificity defines trivia. Enough already. ![]()
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Red Book of Westmarch
The first definite mention of the Red Book is in the Prologue to The Lord of the Rings, which states that Bilbo took it with him when he left the Shire in III 3001. It was in a very unfinished state at this point; the important Translations from the Elvish would not be added until after Bilbo's arrival at Rivendell. Nevertheless, it must have predated Bilbo's departure by some time, and may even date back to his journey to Erebor sixty years before...source JRRT and Encl. of Arda
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He had a diary that was later named red book of westmarch. The question remains is was that what he called it while he was writing in it. We all know it was eventually called that after it was completed. Nowhere does Bilbo refer to it as "The Red Book of Westmarch". He does talk about having papers that needed going through and completing. If you have quotes from JRRT about the date it was named that would be different. It's copyright date in Shire Reckoning would be good, too.
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