Writing using Tengwar characters - Page 39

cian · 10-15-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by RÃ*an: 'Nice to meet you, cian! I'm glad to see my thread revived with some new Tengwar writers'

Hullo!

Originally posted by RÃ*an: '... and English-mode Tengwar (or "mannish mode of Minas Tirith", as cian says) is pretty informal.'

Ahh my preciousss, we calls it 'KL III' we does -- Danny Andries is not us, but he knows much ... oh yes ... maybe more than he tells! [gollum]

***RÃan*** · 10-15-2003, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cian
Ahh my preciousss, we calls it 'KL III' we does -- Danny Andries is not us, but he knows much ... oh yes ... maybe more than he tells! [gollum]

I prefer Tolkien's description:

Quote:

There was of course no 'mode' for the representation of English. One adequate phonetically could be devised from the Feanorian system. The brief example on the title-page does not attempt to exhibit this. It is rather an example of what a man of Gondor might have produced, hesitating between the values of the letters familiar in his 'mode' and the traditional spelling of English.

But however you slice it, the writing is beautiful!

I love the feeling of forming the letters, and it's fun to play with different ways of forming them (slant, no slant, downstrokes straight or left or right, etc.)

cian · 10-16-2003, 07:21 AM

OK, but just to be clear (and not directed at you necessarily), KL III shows a possibly 'Minas Tirith-ian' mode for Sindarin of course.

(which incidentally includes an example of long carrier for anÃ*ra

)

Â¤

***RÃan*** · 10-17-2003, 12:35 PM

I'm not smart enough to learn Sindarin

, I just really enjoy writing English-mode Tengwar, it's so lovely!

You seem to know a lot on this subject - can you share any good links? Thanks

cian · 10-17-2003, 02:49 PM

I like website Amanye Tenceli and some of the links from there, but I think I saw that linked already, early on in the thread. There's some nice calligraphy over at Gwaith I-Phethdain too -- probably already linked in here somewhere, but here it is anyway.

http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/language.htm

Cheers

Â¤

Elf Girl · 10-17-2003, 02:59 PM

Yup, I think I linked there a few pages back. Nice, isn't it?

*drools* I wish I could do that...

Carmen · 10-17-2003, 04:53 PM

hullo again. :: )

thanks, guys(mooters), for answering my questions.
(cian, for the chunks of information

)
(rian, you mean English mode is flexible

Ae aulwaes wonted to spil wirds mae owen wae)
(grr, i cannot insert quote).

anyways, i have another: 've noticed that there are lots of words with the 'ch' cluster-thing in Sindarin. Now, I know there is x in English. What I don't know is, how can I represent it. (the 'x' sound)in Tengwar writing.

...
have tried 'painting' Tengwar, but it doesn't look very spectacular. will try again.

cannot see the calligraphy at 'gwaith..' (drat.

)
(need an update. better yet, need new computer)

Elf Girl · 10-17-2003, 06:49 PM

Do you mean x as in ch in Sindarin? If so, that's the third tengwa on the chart.

If you mean x as in extra, that would be the twelth tengwa.

***RÃan*** · 10-20-2003, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carmen
(rian, you mean English mode is flexible

It's flexible, too, but I like "informal", as in relaxed, fun, etc

That's how I meant it. If you have Letters of JRR Tolkien, you can see his interesting spellings.

"X" in the English mode is "KS", written as the "K" tengwa with an S-curl hanging off of it. But I think you meant Sindarin, so that prob. won't help out.

Elf Girl · 10-20-2003, 05:37 PM

But on Amanye Tenceli, the third one down on the right is labeled x... To lazy to check RotK right now though.

***RÃan*** · 10-22-2003, 01:12 PM

But remember that those are phonetic/phonemic symbols for sounds, not actual letters (check out, for example, the third one down on the left, #9 - it's the Greek theta, which stands for the "th" sound).

I have that "x" character as standing for the German "ch" sound.

JRRT himself used "KS" for the "X" sound in his letters (letter #118) in the word "explanations". This word also includes a lovely s-curl on the end!

***RÃan*** · 10-22-2003, 01:14 PM

...and just checked RotK - it's "CH" there, too

Any new samples, anyone? I have a new scanner and don't have it going yet

Snowdog · 11-11-2003, 01:28 PM

I'm afraid to say I haven't worked any Tengwar since last i posted in this thread. I need to spend more time on it.

Elf Girl · 11-12-2003, 04:53 PM

I put up a pretty version of Elbereth (I do do that one a lot, don't I?) on my site here. Although to squeeze it in I had to take all the other songs down.

Linaewen · 11-16-2003, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Snowdog
I'm afraid to say I haven't worked any Tengwar since last i posted in this thread. I need to spend more time on it.

Me either. I'd really love to start writing in Tengwar and reading everyone else's messages to each other again. *Reminisces* Oy, let's go round up all those Tengwar-writers and go mad! Rian, Ruinel etc, do you hear me?

Very nice, Elf Girl. Must have taken you a lot of time and effort.

Elf Girl · 11-16-2003, 10:50 AM

Thanky.

Arien the Maia · 11-17-2003, 04:18 PM

ok, so I"M doing a Tolkien theme for my Senior Show (to get my B.F.A) and as part of it I am going to have a 3 illustrations of different Silmarillion characters (FÃ«anÃ¡ro, Arien, and Varda) now...I have also decided to include their names on the illustration written using the tengwar and in the Quenya mode using the Quenya letters/sounds. I haev already written them out but I want to see if anyone else here can write them out and post them so I can see if I was right in the way I wrtoe them. I would write them out now but the computer I'm on now doesn't have the font that I have at home. Thanks a bunch guys!

***Earniel*** · 11-19-2003, 11:13 AM

My very first stab at writing in decent Tengwar-characters. Is it readable?

***RÃan*** · 11-19-2003, 01:11 PM

Arien - sorry, I don't know Quenya mode

can't help you.

EÃ¤rniel - that's absolutely gorgeous!!! I really like your style. I really HATE the small attachment size, tho, and am having trouble reading it. What is the first word? I can't tell what the vowel is, and I can't tell if it's a tengwa and a carrier or just one tengwa. Could you start me off with a few of the first words so I could get the hang of your style? (the letters run together when it's reduced like that, and it's hard to tell them apart)

Also, I'm sad to say I'm so rusty now that I have to get my chart out!

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-19-2003, 05:05 PM

Arien- I know Quenya mode.
Very lovely letters, Earniel!

10-15-2003, 11:11 AM	#761
cian Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 78	Originally posted by RÃan: 'Nice to meet you, cian! I'm glad to see my thread revived with some new Tengwar writers'* Hullo! Originally posted by RÃan: '... and English-mode Tengwar (or "mannish mode of Minas Tirith", as cian says) is pretty informal.'* Ahh my preciousss, we calls it 'KL III' we does -- Danny Andries is not us, but he knows much ... oh yes ... maybe more than he tells! [gollum] Last edited by cian : 10-15-2003 at 11:21 AM.

10-17-2003, 12:35 PM	#764
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	I'm not smart enough to learn Sindarin , I just really enjoy writing English-mode Tengwar, it's so lovely! You seem to know a lot on this subject - can you share any good links? Thanks __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-17-2003, 02:59 PM	#766
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LothlÃ³rien Posts: 3,419	Yup, I think I linked there a few pages back. Nice, isn't it? drools I wish I could do that... __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

10-17-2003, 04:53 PM	#767
Carmen Sapling Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: far away Posts: 12	hullo again. :: ) thanks, guys(mooters), for answering my questions. (cian, for the chunks of information ) (rian, you mean English mode is flexible Ae aulwaes wonted to spil wirds mae owen wae) (grr, i cannot insert quote). anyways, i have another: 've noticed that there are lots of words with the 'ch' cluster-thing in Sindarin. Now, I know there is x in English. What I don't know is, how can I represent it. (the 'x' sound)in Tengwar writing. ... have tried 'painting' Tengwar, but it doesn't look very spectacular. will try again. cannot see the calligraphy at 'gwaith..' (drat. ) (need an update. better yet, need new computer) Last edited by Carmen : 10-17-2003 at 05:04 PM.

10-17-2003, 06:49 PM	#768
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LothlÃ³rien Posts: 3,419	Do you mean x as in ch in Sindarin? If so, that's the third tengwa on the chart. If you mean x as in extra, that would be the twelth tengwa. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

10-16-2003, 07:21 AM	#763
cian Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 78	OK, but just to be clear (and not directed at you necessarily), KL III shows a possibly 'Minas Tirith-ian' mode for Sindarin of course. (which incidentally includes an example of long carrier for anÃra* ) Â¤

10-17-2003, 02:49 PM	#765
cian Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 78	I like website Amanye Tenceli and some of the links from there, but I think I saw that linked already, early on in the thread. There's some nice calligraphy over at Gwaith I-Phethdain too -- probably already linked in here somewhere, but here it is anyway. http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/language.htm Cheers Â¤

10-20-2003, 05:37 PM	#770
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LothlÃ³rien Posts: 3,419	But on Amanye Tenceli, the third one down on the right is labeled x... To lazy to check RotK right now though. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

10-22-2003, 01:12 PM	#771
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	But remember that those are phonetic/phonemic symbols for sounds, not actual letters (check out, for example, the third one down on the left, #9 - it's the Greek theta, which stands for the "th" sound). I have that "x" character as standing for the German "ch" sound. JRRT himself used "KS" for the "X" sound in his letters (letter #118) in the word "explanations". This word also includes a lovely s-curl on the end! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-22-2003, 01:14 PM	#772
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	...and just checked RotK - it's "CH" there, too Any new samples, anyone? I have a new scanner and don't have it going yet __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

11-11-2003, 01:28 PM	#773
Snowdog DÃºnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	Tengwar I'm afraid to say I haven't worked any Tengwar since last i posted in this thread. I need to spend more time on it. __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

11-12-2003, 04:53 PM	#774
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LothlÃ³rien Posts: 3,419	I put up a pretty version of Elbereth (I do do that one a lot, don't I?) on my site here. Although to squeeze it in I had to take all the other songs down. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium... Last edited by Elf Girl : 11-12-2003 at 10:15 PM.

11-16-2003, 10:50 AM	#776
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LothlÃ³rien Posts: 3,419	Thanky. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

11-17-2003, 04:18 PM	#777
Arien the Maia FÃ«anÃ¡ro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	ok, so I"M doing a Tolkien theme for my Senior Show (to get my B.F.A) and as part of it I am going to have a 3 illustrations of different Silmarillion characters (FÃ«anÃ¡ro, Arien, and Varda) now...I have also decided to include their names on the illustration written using the tengwar and in the Quenya mode using the Quenya letters/sounds. I haev already written them out but I want to see if anyone else here can write them out and post them so I can see if I was right in the way I wrtoe them. I would write them out now but the computer I'm on now doesn't have the font that I have at home. Thanks a bunch guys!

11-19-2003, 01:11 PM	#779
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Arien - sorry, I don't know Quenya mode can't help you. EÃ¤rniel - that's absolutely gorgeous!!! I really like your style. I really HATE the small attachment size, tho, and am having trouble reading it. What is the first word? I can't tell what the vowel is, and I can't tell if it's a tengwa and a carrier or just one tengwa. Could you start me off with a few of the first words so I could get the hang of your style? (the letters run together when it's reduced like that, and it's hard to tell them apart) Also, I'm sad to say I'm so rusty now that I have to get my chart out! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

11-19-2003, 05:05 PM	#780
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Arien- I know Quenya mode. Very lovely letters, Earniel! __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

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